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  • I find scouting LB much tougher these days than it used to be. Everyone I watch seems to be waiting to see the ball and then react. It used to be, when so many college teams played pro style offenses, or ran the option out of pro sets, the LB had to read their keys and react. That is what they do in the NFL. So you could kinda tell who could read and react at the next level based on how they played. The guys who waited to see the ball and then react were too slow. Now, I don't think I can tell the difference between the guys who can read and the guys who wait. IT seems like they all wait and see the ball, because in the spread the ball is on display.

    If Fitzpatrick falls, we have our Earl Thomas or Cam Chancellor. He isn't as good as a deep middle read the QB eyes (like Thomas) and he isn't the in the box thumper that Chancellor is, but he is better in one on one coverage matchups than either. The hardest part would be deciding if he is better at SS or FS. I see him as more of a FS, but I think he could be great at either.

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    • Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
      And this is my long shot for the Bolts

      RANK
      24

      Taven Bryan, DT, Florida



      Bryan is a very athletic, twitched-up defensive tackle. As a pass rusher, he has an excellent get-off. He launches out of his stance and flashes an impressive push/pull move to generate pressure. When he has proper hand placement, he can push the pocket with outstanding power. He does needs to add more hand moves to his arsenal, but he has the raw tools to develop into an outstanding interior pass rusher at the next level. Bryan is very inconsistent against the run. He plays too high, struggles to resist pressure on angle blocks and loses sight of the ball. He's at his best when slanting and shooting gaps. Overall, Bryan isn't a finished product, but he has Pro Bowl-caliber traits and could emerge as a premier interior pass rusher.

      Bryan is grat athlete who is still learning to play DT. He used to work out with his dad a lot (former Navy Seal), so the kid has a work ethic. I like him, I am just not necessarily sold on him in the 1st round. I would like him better if he had better technique and/or better production.

      I do think that Giff Smith is probably the best DL coach in the NFL, so I think there is a good chance that a kid like Bryan might work better for us than a lot of teams.

      Hand was a 5 star guy, but he has had some of the best college coaching you can get, and the guy is still just a prospect. I was hoping he had a good final year at Alabama, but he didn't do much. If we can get him in the right round, he could be a good fit, but he might end up being a developmental guy who never pans out. I am a little tired of that after years of Liuget.

      The other guy I am interested in is Kentavious Street. Like Hand, he seriously underwhelmed everyone his senior year despite having the other 3 members of the NC state DL draw all the attention. He is a workout warrior with unbelieveable weight room numbers, and good workouts overall. But then at the Shrine game practices, he got everyone excited as a 3 tech DT (he played DE his whole time at NC STate, because of their other 3 draft ready guys), and suddenly looked like he could play. At 275-280, he is kinda light, but he could be another John Randle type guy (another under producing college DE who found a home at DT).

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      • chargerkdb
        chargerkdb commented
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        I would only consider Hand in later rounds. He was a huge prospect that never lived up to expectations. Is he lazy? Slow learner? Has he reached his ceiling? Id take a late fly on him. Could bust or be a steal

    • From ESPN NFL Nation mock draft:

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      • Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
        From ESPN NFL Nation mock draft:

        Taven Bryan at 20, Payne at 26, Hurst not making the top 32. The DT rankings are fluid.
        Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.

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        • Panamamike
          Panamamike commented
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          Mayock was talking about his health concerns pushing him to day 3!! I’d be doing some serious DD. He could be a massive steal.

      • In fact, today I'd like to spotlight 26 particular prospects -- six elite talents, 15 difference makers and five wild cards with high upside -- and of the 26, only three play quarterback. Let's get into it:


        ALL-PROS


        These are the elite prospects in the class. They should rank among the top five players at their respective positions in two to three years. I've ordered them according to how they grade out in my book.

        1) Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
        2) Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State
        3) Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
        4) Derwin James, S, Florida State
        5) Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
        6) Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame


        PRO BOWLERS


        These prospects are regarded as difference makers based on their raw talent. They should make immediate contributions as rookies and rank among the top 10 at their position within two to three years. I've ordered them according to how they grade out in my book.

        1) Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
        2) Sam Darnold, QB, USC
        3) Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
        4) Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
        5) Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
        6) Harold Landry, Edge, Boston College
        7) Vita Vea, DT, Washington
        8) Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
        9) Mike Hughes, CB, UCF
        10) James Daniels, C, Iowa
        11) Sony Michel, RB, Georgia
        12) Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
        13) Billy Price, C, Ohio State
        14) Will Hernandez, OG, UTEP
        15) Marcus Davenport, Edge


        UTSA
        RED STAR PLAYERS

        On the "Move the Sticks" podcast, Daniel Jeremiah and I routinely discuss how scouts will stand on the table for guys they believe will outperform their draft slot. In the scouting world, these players are called "red star" guys because they are destined to make their mark in the league despite not being the most ballyhooed prospects. After surveying the 2018 class for players with the right skills and intangibles to surpass most expectations, here are my five red-star prospects to watch.

        Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville: The 2016 Heisman Trophy winner hasn't been celebrated as one of the top quarterbacks in the class, but it's hard to ignore a dynamic athlete with A+ arm talent and playmaking ability. Jackson eclipsed 3,500 passing yards and 1,500 rushing yards in back-to-back seasons, improving his completion rate and overall efficiency in the process. Despite being erroneously perceived by many as a typical spread-option quarterback, Jackson's experience in a pro-style offense under the tutelage of a hard-nosed coach (Bobby Petrino) should help him assimilate to the pro game quicker than most expect. If he lands with the right team led by a creative coach, the Louisville standout could evolve into a more polished version of Michael Vick. Just ask Vick himself.

        Sam Hubbard, DE, Ohio State: The former high school lacrosse player is an explosive hybrid with the athleticism and movement skills to make an impact off the edge. Whether acting as a disruptive pass rusher racing around the corner or a Swiss Army Knife stand-up player in a 3-4, Hubbard's unique skills could make him a star on Sundays. With teams looking for solid options on the edges, Hubbard is a safe bet to at least carve out a nice career.

        Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford: Dominant defenses always employ at least a few blue-collar guys. That's why I'm willing to bet on Phillips being a productive starter for a team as an interior defender. The Cardinal standout is a rock-solid defender at the point of attack, exhibiting exceptional strength, power and leverage against single- and double-teams. As a former wrestler with a no-nonsense attitude, Phillips is the kind of "hard hat and lunch pail" player who logs 10-plus years in the league.

        Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M: Despite being generally pegged as a slot, Kirk might end up being the best receiver in the draft, with the potential to blossom into a WR1 on the outside. The 5-foot-10, 200-pound pass catcher is a polished route runner with sticky hands and electric running skills. Kirk can deliver splash plays on vertical routes or catch-and-run concepts that allow him to shine as a Steve Smith-like playmaker on the perimeter. Although he doesn't fit the typical profile of a No. 1 receiver, I wouldn't rule out Kirk becoming just that, based on his athleticism, skill set and blue-collar mentality.

        Kalen Ballage, RB, Arizona State: The 6-1, 228-pound playmaker is rarely discussed as one of the top running backs in the class, but teams looking for a big back with skills as a runner and receiver might uncover a gem in this ASU product. Ballage has the potential to emerge as a Le'Veon Bell-like threat, with the size and speed to hurt defenses as a runner and the explosiveness to torch linebackers as a receiver. Although he needs to add some more grit to his game, Ballage's talents as a multi-purpose back could make him an unexpected star in the league.

        Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks.
        Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.

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        • By PETER KING
          April 25, 2018

          This could help your enjoyment and understanding of the draft this weekend. I asked a team in the top half of the draft—a team that wants action on its pick when its 10-minute period begins Thursday night—how it views the depth of the top half of the draft. This is what my source said:

          • His team has 15 players with first-round grades.

          • His team has 30 to 35 players with second-round grades.

          • His team has about 45 players with third-round grades.

          • His team has “starter” or “potential starter” grade on “about 90” players.
          Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.

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          • chargerkdb
            chargerkdb commented
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            Thats about normal. 15 first round grades is decent

          • richpjr
            richpjr commented
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            The funny thing is how every team will have a different list of players rated as first rounders, especially towards the bottom of the 15.

        • Bonsignore trades up to get...

          11. Los Angeles Chargers (from Miami Dolphins): Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA:


          The Chargers have resisted the urge to draft a replacement for Philip Rivers for a while now, but they know they eventually have to pull that trigger. In a stunning move, the Bolts move up six spots by giving up their 2018 third round pick and their 2019 second-round pick to jump ahead of the quarterback-needy Bills to select Rosen, who slid out of the top 10 due to concerns about coachability. The local star is a double whammy for the Chargers: They get their quarterback of the future – and maybe the best QB in the draft – while also adding a recognizable Los Angeles star for whom their franchise will be built around.

          ---

          This would be a totally Spanos move, written by the biggest Spanos booster on the planet.

          https://www.ocregister.com/2018/04/2...familiar-face/

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          • Formula 21
            Formula 21 commented
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            It’s a bold move if you think Rosen is a franchise qb. And cheap too.

          • Panamamike
            Panamamike commented
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            I think he is the best QBs in this draft. I still don’t like QB this year or moving up. With a good draft, MW, Lamp, and a sprinkle of FA post draft we can be really F’N good this season and next few too. I’d rather use the draft capital elsewhere this season.

        • Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
          select Rosen, who slid out of the top 10 due to concerns about coachability. The local star is a double whammy for the Chargers: They get their quarterback of the future – and maybe the best QB in the draft – while also adding a recogn
          And the forum would explode.
          "...of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

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          • chargerkdb
            chargerkdb commented
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            Then we can start the "Move Rivers to Safety" thread

        • The Ringer's latest (and last) Mock:
          https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/4...eveland-browns
          "...of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

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          • Rosen .....trade up? That would be nuts and yes the forum would explode.......Lord of the Flies redux.....we would have to bring back Yubaking
            Forget it Donny you're out of your element

            Shut the fuck up Donny

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            • blueman
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              Unless like Steve TT feels we have no glaring holes now that we have a kicker and a center, why not trade up for a player who will never see the field during Rivers’ push for a SB trophy? We can get some journeymen FAs after the draft to fill any holes like backup LB or backup DB, no problem. Ink that first game as a W!

            • Steve
              Steve commented
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              Especially if you replace the name Josh Rosen (or any of the 1st round guys) with Kyle Laleutta. If you are going to develop the guy, might as well get the best one.

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            • Man Vander Esch is getting a ton of negative action about regarding his neck. He may end up in the 2nd round.

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              • Formula 21
                Formula 21 commented
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                Or Belicheat is working overtime on the rumors.

              • chargerkdb
                chargerkdb commented
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                It pretty minor from what I’ve read. He wears neck roll to prevent further injury. My old high school buddy Alton Grizzard R.I.P. played QB at Naval Academy with a neck roll. Cool accessory
                Last edited by chargerkdb; 04-26-2018, 04:34 AM.


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              Nick Hardwick Retweeted Eric Williams
              That’s the pick @eric_d_williams. At least it’s the right position. Long-armed, big bodied, every down ILB. Next on my list is a similar Safety. Gus’ defense requires those two spots to have beasts.



              Nick Hardwick added,




              Eric Williams
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              Here's the full list of this year's ESPN NFL Nation Mock Draft. I took Alabama LB Rashaan Evan at No.17 for the Chargers.





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              • chargerkdb
                chargerkdb commented
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                Sounds like Nick wants Edmunds or VdE

            • Mailata goes to Philly. Good luck.
              Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.

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