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    There are 7 teams with 3 wins behind Cleveland (0-9), SF (1-9_, and the NYG (1-8). We are currently picking 7th. Looks like there will be some fierce competition for the 4th through 10th spots which makes a huge difference on what player is available.

  • #2
    That 4-10 list is also huge when you think that we don't know what Juniors will be coming out. Until you know that, it is not clear if we get someone who is at a position of need that high.


    • #3
      As long we're Top 10 we should be fine. QBs going early, will let the Elite OT to land to us. Matt McGlinchy would be the best.


      • #4
        If you look at the teams currently in the top 10, many already have QB. Even the ones that don't Browns, have 2 picks and might stay put with Kizer. WHo knows how that plays out, but the point is it's not as clear as it could be.

        The big thing that starts to worry me is that some of the best QB may go back to school, taking them off the table completely. Then teams would have to go for other positions, AND we might not have a chance to get a QB of the future ourselves.


        • #5
          I fear going on a winning streak and picking 19th. Disaster.
          Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.


          • blueman
            blueman commented
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            Or even making the playoffs, yuck!

        • #6
          The experts are saying up to 6 QB possible 1st round picks and let me say off the top I am not a fan of any Big-12 QB they don't translate well to the pros so no to (Baker Mayfield & Mason Rudolph).

          Look at Big-12 past QBs Johnny Manzel, Brandon Weeden, Bryce Petty, Colt McCoy, RGIII, Chase Daniel, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman, and going back to Vine Young. I say Hell no to the Big-12 they are so wide open in there style of play it is easy to make the reads in college and put up big numbers.


          • #7
            Originally posted by Classic View Post
            As long we're Top 10 we should be fine. QBs going early, will let the Elite OT to land to us. Matt McGlinchy would be the best.
            Some of the teams above us might need a quarterback but there are no guarantees that there will be a run on quarterbacks. I don't think there is a Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota among the 2018 quarterback draft class (Darnold aside since he's apparently returning to USC). They all have a bit of a project about them. Now that's not to say they can't or won't develop into good quarterbacks but if Cleveland passed on Wentz, I wouldn't be surprised if they passed on this year's top quarterbacks with their first of their two first round picks. Likewise I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants and Bengals decide to look outside the first round for competition for their current starter, and the Broncos might go for a veteran. So potentially we might see a run on the non-QBs which might force a decision from our front office. Do we draft one of the projects and sit them behind Rivers? Or do we go for a non-QB and stick with Rivers? I suspect we could panic and draft one of these quarterbacks if none have been selected by the time we are on the clock.


            • #8
              Here is the current draft order for the top 10 picks:

              Cleveland - may or may not think Kiser is the answer at QB
              SF - just traded for Garapalo
              NY Giants - definitely need a QB
              Colts - who knows what they think of Luck's health and the cap implications of keeping vs cutting him
              Broncos - is Lynch the answer or do they sign a vet?
              Bears - no QB needed
              Chargers - ???
              Tampa Bay - no QB needed
              Bengals - ???
              Texans - no QB needed


              • #9
                Originally posted by richpjr View Post
                Here is the current draft order for the top 10 picks:

                Cleveland - may or may not think Kiser is the answer at QB
                SF - just traded for Garapalo
                NY Giants - definitely need a QB
                Colts - who knows what they think of Luck's health and the cap implications of keeping vs cutting him
                Broncos - is Lynch the answer or do they sign a vet?
                Bears - no QB needed
                Chargers - ???
                Tampa Bay - no QB needed
                Bengals - ???
                Texans - no QB needed

                I say go OT/DT or Safety with the 1st pick the QB may fall to round two in the 2018 draft (just don't draft Baker Mayfield or Mason Rudolph)


                • blueman
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                  I'd agree but for the safety option. Then again...

              • #10
                The big problem I always have is that while there are guys who might carry high grades, it is only worth drafting them that high if they really are a franchise QB. What makes a QB a franchise QB?

                PS Luck isn't going anywhere. He is going to cost $9.6 mil dead money even if he is a post june 1st cut. The important thing is that they would save $15 mil, but when people hear about $10 million in dead cap, they usually freak out. Plus, he might really be able to come back, and then they will give someone a franchise QB for nothing, which would make the Colts look even worse.


                • #11
                  2018 Top NFL Draft Prospects
                  1 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230
                  2 Minkah Fitzpatrick FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 201
                  3 Saquon Barkley RB 2 Penn State Jr 5-11 223
                  4 Quenton Nelson OG 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-5 329
                  5 Derwin James SS 1 Florida State Soph 6-3 211
                  6 James Washington WR 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 205
                  7 Bradley Chubb DE 3 NC State Sr 6-4 275
                  8 Orlando Brown OT 5 Oklahoma Jr 6-8 360
                  9 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo DE 0 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 242
                  10 Mike McGlinchey OT 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-8 312
                  11 Courtland Sutton WR 0 Southern Methodist Soph 6-4 215
                  12 Bryce Love RB 0 Stanford Jr 5-10 191
                  13 Kendall Joseph ILB 3 Clemson Jr 6-0 230
                  14 Derrius Guice RB 1 LSU Jr 5-11 212
                  15 Clelin Ferrell DE 8 Clemson Soph 6-5 265
                  16 Roquan Smith ILB 0 Georgia Jr 6-1 225
                  17 Deontay Burnett WR 0 Southern California Jr 6-0 170
                  18 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220
                  19 Chukwuma Okorafor OT 0 Western Michigan Sr 6-6 330
                  20 Josh Adams RB 0 Notre Dame Jr 6-2 220
                  21 Maurice Hurst DT 3 Michigan Sr 6-2 282
                  22 Arden Key DE 1 LSU Jr 6-6 238
                  23 Denzel Ward CB 7 Ohio State Jr 5-10 191
                  24 Harold Landry OLB 1 Boston College Sr 6-3 250
                  25 Mark Andrews TE 2 Oklahoma Jr 6-5 253
                  26 Levi Wallace CB 0 Alabama Sr 6-0 181
                  27 Damien Harris RB 12 Alabama Jr 5-11 216
                  28 Lamar Jackson QB 5 Louisville Jr 6-3 200
                  29 Connor Williams OT 2 Texas Jr 6-6 320
                  30 Dorian O'Daniel OLB 0 Clemson Sr 6-1 215
                  31 Lorenzo Carter DE 0 Georgia Sr 6-6 242
                  32 Derrick Nnadi DT 2 Florida State Sr 6-1 312
                  33 Anthony Miller WR 0 Memphis Sr 5-11 190
                  34 Malik Jefferson OLB 2 Texas Jr 6-3 240
                  35 Austin Bryant DE 0 Clemson Jr 6-4 265
                  36 Martinas Rankin OT 3 Mississippi State Sr 6-5 305
                  37 Jordan Whitehead SS 0 Pittsburgh Jr 5-11 190
                  38 Ronald Jones II RB 4 Southern California Jr 6-1 195
                  39 Christian Kirk WR 4 Texas A&M Jr 5-11 200
                  40 Sam Darnold QB 1 Southern California Soph 6-4 225
                  41 Billy Price OG 5 Ohio State Sr 6-4 312
                  42 Royce Freeman RB 3 Oregon Sr 5-11 231
                  43 Taven Bryan DT 0 Florida Jr 6-5 293
                  44 Ronnie Harrison SS 2 Alabama Jr 6-3 214
                  45 Tarvarus McFadden CB 1 Florida State Jr 6-2 198
                  46 Ryan Finley QB 0 NC State Jr 6-4 205
                  47 Isaiah Oliver CB 0 Colorado Jr 6-1 190
                  48 Cameron Smith ILB 2 Southern California Jr 6-2 245
                  49 Da'Ron Payne DT 7 Alabama Jr 6-2 308
                  50 Tyrell Crosby OT 0 Oregon Sr 6-5 320
                  Last edited by Formula 21; 11-13-2017, 10:22 PM.
                  Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.


                  • #12
                    QBs are down, but OTs look good.
                    Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.


                    • #13
                      PFF 2018 NFL Mock Draft 1

                      By Steve Palazzolo • Oct 31, 2017
                      NORMAN, OK - SEPTEMBER 02: Quarterback Baker Mayfield #6 of the Oklahoma Sooners warms up before the game against the UTEP Miners at Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium on September 2, 2017 in Norman, Oklahoma. Oklahoma defeated UTEP 56-7. (Photo by Brett Deering/Getty Images) *** local caption *** Baker Mayfield;
                      We’re halfway through the season, so let’s play some mock draft games. As always, the player evaluation process is ongoing, but it’s a good way to get an idea of where players might fit in come next April. One important note: the draft order is simply based on Vegas Super Bowl odds and not a prediction of what will happen the rest of the season. Also, this mock draft is about what I would do as GM with each pick, not a prediction of what each team will do.

                      1. Cleveland Browns

                      QB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma

                      Cleveland drafts the nation’s top quarterback in Mayfield, who continues to impress no matter which way his game is dissected. He has the top PFF grade for the second year in a row at 95.8, as he uses his natural playmaking ability to attack all levels of the field with accuracy. There are still some questions coming out of a favorable Oklahoma system, but Mayfield has shown that he can succeed in every situation and he may just be the guy to turn the Browns around in the future.

                      2. San Francisco 49ers

                      S Derwin James, Florida State

                      After trading for QB Jimmy Garoppolo, the 49ers may be able to grab the best non-quarterback at the top of the draft, and from a pure value standpoint, James is the guy. His versatility is tailor-made for the NFL, as he can make an impact at all levels of the defense, from deep safety to playing at the line of scrimmage, and he gives the 49ers a playmaker in the secondary after leading the nation with a 91.2 grade as a true freshman in 2015 and currently ranking sixth at 87.4 overall.

                      3. Indianapolis Colts

                      RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State

                      While the Colts have a number of holes to fill, Barkley is a three-down option, as he can make an offensive line look good in the run game and his big-play ability must be accounted for in the passing game. He leads the nation’s running backs with 471 receiving yards, and he adds a weapon for QB Andrew Luck as the Colts look to rebuild both sides of the ball with impact players.

                      4. New York Giants

                      QB Sam Darnold, USC

                      The time is right to look to the future at quarterback for the Giants and despite Darnold’s struggles this season, he has shown plenty of NFL ability during his year-and-a-half as starter. He’s forcing too many passes into coverage this season and his fumbles are concerning, but Darnold’s ability to work the middle of the field with anticipation bodes well for the next level.

                      5. New York Jets

                      QB Lamar Jackson, Louisville

                      Quarterbacks continue to come off the board as the Jets look to shore up their future with Jackson, who has improved as a passer every year in college. He also has dynamic athleticism, leading to the top rushing grade in college football over the last two years, and while he’s not the most accurate quarterback on a throw-for-throw basis, Jackson has shown the ability to make big-time throws into NFL windows, and that’s enough to build an offense around at the next level.

                      6. Arizona Cardinals

                      QB Josh Rosen, UCLA

                      With QB Carson Palmer nearing the end of his career, the Cardinals look to tap into Rosen’s potential as their quarterback of the future. There’s a Palmer-like boom-or-bust nature to Rosen’s game as he can sprinkle the field with NFL throws while backing that up with head-scratching decisions, but he’s an excellent intermediate thrower and his high-end flashes are as good as it gets in the class.

                      7. Baltimore Ravens

                      WR James Washington, Oklahoma State

                      The quarterback run slows down for a bit as the Ravens look to add some juice to their offense with Washington who leads the nation with 464 yards on deep (20-plus yard) passes this season. He has the speed to get behind the defense and improved ball skills have allowed him to make plays in contested situations, a good fit for getting QB Joe Flacco’s career back on track.

                      8. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

                      DI Maurice Hurst, Michigan

                      The nation’s top-graded defensive player at 95.5 overall, Hurst is disruptive against the run and as a pass-rusher. He’s built in the mold of current Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy, but it can’t hurt to have two disruptors up front, especially in the age of multiple defensive fronts and high subpackage usage. Hurst has been dominant in his 1,233 career snaps and an interior havoc-creator is coveted in today’s NFL.

                      9. Chicago Bears

                      OT Connor Williams, Texas

                      Williams has missed most of the season due to injury, but he was one of the nation’s top offensive tackles in 2015 and 2016. Last season, his 91.1 overall grade ranked third in the nation, as he allowed only four total pressures while dominating in the running game. The Bears have a few different ways they can go with this pick, but they upgrade the tackle spot with Williams.

                      10. Cincinnati Bengals

                      OT Orlando Brown, Oklahoma

                      Cincinnati has lingering questions at offensive tackle and Brown has shown the ability to pass protect and impact the run game at a high level. He’s given up only 11 pressures on 617 attempts over the last two years and he uses his massive frame to open holes both at the point of attack and at the second level. Brown currently ranks No. 7 overall and No. 2 as a run blocker among the nation’s offensive tackles.

                      11. Miami Dolphins

                      G Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame

                      The guard position has been a trouble spot for the Dolphins for a while and Nelson is one of the best guard prospects to come out in recent years. He is a dominant run blocker, currently leading the nation with a 94.3 grade, and he’s showed continued improvement in pass protection where he’s only allowed two pressures this season.

                      12. Green Bay Packers

                      Edge Arden Key, LSU

                      The outside pass-rush has been inconsistent in Green Bay in recent years but Key adds an explosive threat to the mix. His production is down a tick this season as LSU has moved him around the defense, but when unleashed off the edge, Key brings an explosive threat with his 177 career pressures (21 sacks, 31 hits, 78 hurries).

                      13. Los Angeles Chargers

                      QB Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State

                      While QB Philip Rivers is still capable of leading a team, the Chargers have to keep an eye toward the future. Rudolph has had a productive career at Oklahoma State, he’s shown good accuracy at the intermediate level and his passer rating of 104.3 when facing pressure is third-best in the nation.

                      14. Buffalo Bills

                      WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama

                      Ridley may never put up huge numbers is Alabama’s run-heavy system, but his speed is evident on tape and he can be a downfield weapon at the next level. Buffalo has a receiving corps to overhaul and adding Ridley is a good place to start.

                      15. Detroit Lions

                      RB Derrius Guice, LSU

                      Detroit needs a running game that can take pressure off QB Matthew Stafford and Guice brings that and more as a dynamic, three-down option. He has big-play ability both as a runner and as a receiver and his 111.7 elusive rating (52 missed tackles forced on 192 touches) in 2016 showed his capabilities.
                      Last edited by Formula 21; 11-13-2017, 11:45 PM.
                      Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.


                      • #14
                        If Baker Mayfield goes number one overall I would be completely shocked and I would be very dissapointed if Mason Rudolph is the pick. I would also stay away from Lomas Brown OT out of Oklahoma 6'8" @ 360 lbs that has short career written all over it.


                        • #15
                          Right now... who the hell cares? Tom Telesco is going to screw it again. So, it doesnt really matter which pick we will have. Tom Telesco will do it again. (He has no clue you know, and Dean has to sell the team...)


                          • #16
                            Originally posted by foreigner View Post
                            Right now... who the hell cares? Tom Telesco is going to screw it again. So, it doesnt really matter which pick we will have. Tom Telesco will do it again. (He has no clue you know, and Dean has to sell the team...)
                            Joey Bosa disagrees with you.


                            • #17
                              Hurst, Brown, Nelsen...good upgrades for the trenches.


                              • #18
                                SB Nation

                                2018 NFL mock draft: Baker Mayfield lands in the top 10


                                Five quarterbacks are slotted in the first round, but the Oklahoma star isn’t the first one picked.

                                by Dan Kadar Nov 13, 2017, 7:48am EST

                                The outlook for the 2018 NFL draft has been in flux recently. That’s due in large part to the San Francisco 49ers. First they went out and traded for quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, and then they did the previously impossible and won a game. That puts the Cleveland Browns in line for the first overall pick and opens up the possibility for several other teams to take a quarterback in the top 10.
                                This mock draft features five quarterbacks in the top 15 picks. One of them is Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield, a lightning rod of a prospect. For the purposes of this edition, let’s assume, though, that quarterbacks Ryan Finley of North Carolina State, Nick Fitzgerald of Mississippi State, and Drew Lock of Missouri all go back to school.
                                The picks were determined by the latest draft order.
                                1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA

                                Although DeShone Kizer had the best game of his career on Sunday, he just hasn’t done enough to show he should be Cleveland’s quarterback of the future. Rosen can be a little haphazard in his play while under pressure, but his tools are No. 1 worthy. He’s got a strong arm and a rapid fire release.
                                2. San Francisco 49ers: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State

                                Now that they don’t need a quarterback, expect the 49ers to be fielding calls from teams that do. The 49ers could conceivably have Garoppolo and more picks than they gave up for him if they trade off No. 2.
                                Guard may be San Francisco’s biggest need — and Quenton Nelson of Notre Dame is real good — but an interior blocker probably won’t get taken that high. You may not think head coach Kyle Shanahan would pick a running back this high, but Barkley is arguably the best prospect in the draft.
                                3. New York Giants: Sam Darnold, QB, Southern California

                                Darnold is a confounding prospect. He can complete some unreal passes all over the field with precision and good arm strength. And he seems to always perform well in clutch situations. But he’s been prone to turnovers during his career. He may not enter the draft, but if he does he’ll go high. The Giants may be poised for a rebuild with question marks about their head coach and Eli Manning’s age.
                                4. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE, North Carolina State

                                Without Andrew Luck the Colts are mired in a disastrous season that should conclude with them moving on from head coach Chuck Pagano. The Colts could look at the offensive line yet again, but it may be hard to overlook a pass rusher like Chubb. He has a better speed/power combination than any of the other pass rushers in this draft.
                                5. Cincinnati Bengals: Connor Williams, OT, Texas

                                The Bengals tried to fix their offensive line by taking Cedric Ogbuehi and Jake Fisher in the first two rounds in 2015. It’s just not working. Williams has been out since September with a torn meniscus, but he held a first-round grade coming into the season.
                                6. Denver Broncos: Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame

                                This is a tough pick because you could really argue for a quarterback for the Broncos. After getting picked in the first round, Paxton Lynch has played in just three games thus far. If they want to give him a real shot in 2018, they could aim to bolster the offensive line with McGlinchey. Although Menelik Watson was brought in via free agency, he’s never been able to stay healthy.

                                7. Los Angeles Chargers: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

                                Mayfield is by far the draft’s most polarizing prospect. Some absolutely love him and think he’s the top quarterback. Others fear he won’t be able to hold up getting knocked around in the NFL. With the Chargers, he could be the replacement for Philip Rivers, whether it’s in 2018 or 2019.

                                8. Cleveland Browns (via Houston Texans): Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama

                                There’s not much Fitzpatrick can’t do. Alabama has used him all over the place, from outside corner to free safety to even dime linebacker. Fitzpatrick is at his best in coverage. That would mean the Browns could finally stop wasting Jabrill Peppers as a deep, single-high safety.
                                9. Chicago Bears: Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama

                                The Bears need wide receivers, especially considering their top receiver this season has just 259 yards receiving. The debate for the draft’s top receiver is completely up in the air. Ridley is a little bigger than players like Christian Kirk and James Washington and faster than someone like Courtland Sutton. For now, he gets the nod and would give the Bears a No. 1 receiver for Mitchell Trubisky.
                                10. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arden Key, DE, LSU

                                The Buccaneers are one of the worst teams in the NFL at getting after the quarterback. If Tampa wants to add an edge player, Key would be a good selection. He’s somewhat of a pass rush specialist, but he has a lot of speed and length to get around the edge.
                                11. New York Jets: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville

                                Imagine the Heisman Trophy-winning dynamo starting at quarterback for New York. Jackson has worked a lot to improve as a pocket passer. While he’s still a work in progress in that regard to some degree, he’s an outstanding talent.
                                12. Baltimore Ravens: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU

                                Breshad Perriman hasn’t been the player the Ravens expected him to be, so they could go back to searching for a first-round wide receiver in Sutton. He’s a physical receiver whose draft placement could be predicated by how well he performs in the offseason process.
                                13. Arizona Cardinals: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming

                                Allen’s up-and-down play can’t be ignored, but I still think the NFL decision makers will like him more than fans. He certainly fits the mold of a Bruce Arians quarterback with a big arm and good size. I don’t consider Allen a first-round player, but the overdrafting of the position can’t be questioned.
                                14. Oakland Raiders: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma

                                Doesn’t the mammoth Brown just seem built to play on the Raiders offensive line?Brown has gotten better every year at Oklahoma and has especially seen his draft stock rise this season.
                                15. Washington: Maurice Hurst, DL, Michigan

                                Washington smartly drafted Jonathan Allen for the defensive line in the first round this year, but the team still needs help up front. Hurst is a player who could play all along the line and give the team a lineman who can create pressure.
                                16. Miami Dolphins: Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame

                                By the time evaluations are done, Nelson might get graded out as one of the five best players in the 2018 draft. Miami would be getting a steal at a position of need here.

                                Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.


                                • #19
                                  Washington Post

                                  In Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield, NFL teams could see shades of Russell Wilson, Brett Favre

                                  By Adam Kilgore November 8

                                  Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield has become both the Heisman Trophy favorite and a potential first-round NFL draft pick. (Brett Deering/Getty Images)
                                  The three-pronged quarterback extravaganza at the top of the 2018 NFL draft has not unfolded as planned. Southern California’s Sam Darnold has made an array of both NFL throws and head-slap interceptions, and he has sent signals he will consider returning to college. Josh Allen remains a wild card because of the competition he faces at Wyoming and the offensive line he plays behind, and if anything, he has regressed. Josh Rosen has flashed brilliance for UCLA, especially on intermediate throws, but has also been prone to interceptions and is now hurt, again.
                                  But the most significant change in the 2018 quarterback prospect derby may be the performance of a fourth passer, forcing his way into the conversation as a potential first-round pick. Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield has emerged not only as the leading candidate to win the Heisman Trophy, but also as a quarterback who could land in the first round in April.
                                  [Mayfield could be OU’s greatest QB ever. Another comparison: Johnny Manziel.]
                                  Mayfield, overlooked entering the year because of his size and the system in which he plays, has barged into first-round consideration and up draft boards. He makes up for his height — he’s listed as 6-foot-1 — with surprising arm strength, unmatched production, off-the-charts intangibles and athleticism suited for the direction NFL offense is headed.
                                  “His game is not supposed to mix,” said Fox analyst Joel Klatt, who was in the broadcast booth for Mayfield’s 598-yard performance Saturday against Oklahoma State. “Normally, you get a guy that is such a good player outside the structure of the offense and a good improviser, normally those players are not as efficient. Usually, you’re either a gunslinger or you’re efficient. For some reason, this kid has married the two together in a way that is really unique.”
                                  [Stability at the top marks the College Football Playoff rankings]
                                  Pro Football Focus has graded Mayfield as its best NFL quarterback prospect for the past two years. Mayfield, per its tracking, has made the lowest percentage of missed throws and grades at an elite level on accuracy on deep throws.
                                  Mayfield is hurt slightly by Oklahoma’s offense, which features few tight-window, NFL-style throws. And Big 12 defenses tend to sit back in coverage, which allows Mayfield to indulge one of his weaknesses — holding the ball too long. But as much as PFF analyst Steve Palazzolo wanted to downgrade Mayfield, he kept seeing play after play on film that supported Mayfield.
                                  “We try to be so data-driven and trust our numbers and all that stuff,” Palazzolo said. “The gut is, he’s just not a guy I want to doubt.”
                                  NFL evaluators will likely have little variance in how they grade Darnold, Rosen and Allen. Klatt predicted scouts and executives would be split, but that Mayfield’s rise up draft boards could mimic that of Patrick Mahomes, a uniquely gifted passer whom the Chiefs traded up to take with the 10th pick. Mayfield may not be seen universally as a surefire prospect, but if enough teams become enamored, he could be plucked early.
                                  “I could see those type of guys falling in love with Baker, and those guys spent time around [Brett] Favre,” Klatt said. “They seek Baker’s ability to improvise and play with unnatural confidence, and they see Favre. That’s what Andy Reid saw in Mahomes, so he moved up and got him. The Brett Favre tree of coaches, the [former Packers coach Mike] Holmgren tree, those ones that will love Baker Mayfield.”
                                  Mayfield’s arm strength, often a presumed weakness because of his size, is actually an asset. “When I watch his tape, you see back-foot throws that go 55, 60 yards in the air,” Klatt said, and he easily makes out-route passes to the wide side of the field. Mayfield can generate power on even those throws from awkward, unconventional positions. If a traditional pocket quarterback throws like a pitcher, Klatt said, then Mayfield has the footwork and body control to throw like an infielder.
                                  Mayfield’s best comparison, including in some uncanny ways, might be Russell Wilson. They’re both the same body type. Mayfield is listed at 6-1, 220 pounds, but probably scrapes 6 feet. Wilson is 5-11, 215 pounds. Both have thick, powerful legs, which they use to extend plays and shake off lunging pass rushers. They escape the pocket in similar fashion, scrambling backward in an attempt to throw downfield. They both launch gorgeous deep balls with accuracy.
                                  “I love the Russell Wilson comparison,” Klatt said.
                                  Beyond physical comparisons, Mayfield and Wilson share intangible traits and similar college arcs. Wilson was renowned for his leadership and was elected a captain at Wisconsin after transferring. Mayfield is renowned for his leadership and was elected a captain at Oklahoma after transferring. Each became the face of a powerhouse program after entering as an outsider.
                                  “There’s not a better leader in college football than Baker Mayfield,” Oklahoma defensive end Ogbonnia Okoronkwo said earlier this season. “And you can quote me on that. That guy, look, I’ll follow him anywhere.”
                                  “They have the persona that can walk into a locker room and immediately get guys to follow them,” Klatt said. “That type of leadership is rare.”
                                  In college, Mayfield’s production is undeniable. Including his freshman season at Texas Tech, Mayfield has passed for more than 13,000 yards and 116 touchdowns. This season, Mayfield has completed 71.7 percent of his passes while throwing for 28 touchdowns with five interceptions, averaging 358.4 yards per game.
                                  Against archrival Oklahoma State, which boasted one of the best defenses in the Big 12, Mayfield completed 24 of 36 passes for a school-record 598 yards and five touchdowns, leading the Sooners to a 62-52 victory. Palazzolo, the Pro Football Focus analyst who has charted every snap of Mayfield’s career, said it was not even one of his standout games, from a grading perspective.
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                                  [Yes, it’s Bedlam: Baker Mayfield passes for 598 yards as Oklahoma nips Oklahoma State]

                                  In previous years, it would have been easy to dismiss Mayfield. But the instant success of Wilson, Dak Prescott, Marcus Mariota and Jared Goff has eased the stigma attached to quarterbacks who are either relatively small or come from a spread offense. If anything, the NFL may be searching for quarterbacks who, like Mayfield, can make plays on the run, either by design or when defenses break down.

                                  The Eagles’ Carson Wentz played in a pro-style offense in college at North Dakota State. This season, he has excelled running run-pass options and other wrinkles typically associated with the college game, so much that some Denver Broncos defenders called Philadelphia’s scheme, admiringly, a “college offense.”

                                  Mayfield may be the next quarterback in that mold. “It would not shock me at all if he is a starter really early in his career for a team making a playoff push,” Klatt said. He didn’t start the season as a top NFL prospect, but Mayfield is making his way there.
                                  Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.


                                  • #20
                                    Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post

                                    7. Los Angeles Chargers: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

                                    Mayfield is by far the draft’s most polarizing prospect. Some absolutely love him and think he’s the top quarterback. Others fear he won’t be able to hold up getting knocked around in the NFL. With the Chargers, he could be the replacement for Philip Rivers, whether it’s in 2018 or 2019.

                                    Oh boy... another Ryan Leaf....not again please.


                                    • blueman
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                                      Leaf? Really?

                                    • OhioBolt
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                                      Or another Colt McCoy