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  • Panamamike
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    #49
    Originally posted by Big Dog View Post

    You got it the wrong way around, 5 losses, so 11-5 this year even if we are without the rookie, a win or 2 more if he is in the lineup.

    but I hear ya, McCaffery (rookie of the year favorite) should have been the pick instead of Williams once Adams was off the board.
    time will tell. I actually am not a fan of McCaffery as a top 10 pick. I think he was an amazing college player...did it all, but mostly against teams in one of the worst defensive leagues in the country. I think he will struggle as a runner, and excel as a pass catching back. He has a lot of miles already on a fairly slight frame. I question his ability to run between the tackles in the NFL and how much pounding he can take. Slight finesse backs do not make top 10 picks if I am running a draft board. I do not think he will be as unproductive as Tavon Austin, and I think he went to the best situation possible in that offence. The read option with Cam could be interesting. He was the one player/position I absolutely did not want the chargers to draft in the first round.

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    • Big Dog
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      #50
      Originally posted by Panamamike View Post

      time will tell. I actually am not a fan of McCaffery as a top 10 pick. I think he was an amazing college player...did it all, but mostly against teams in one of the worst defensive leagues in the country. I think he will struggle as a runner, and excel as a pass catching back. He has a lot of miles already on a fairly slight frame. I question his ability to run between the tackles in the NFL and how much pounding he can take. Slight finesse backs do not make top 10 picks if I am running a draft board. I do not think he will be as unproductive as Tavon Austin, and I think he went to the best situation possible in that offence. The read option with Cam could be interesting. He was the one player/position I absolutely did not want the chargers to draft in the first round.
      I hear ya, and I hope Williams does great for us ala o'dell Beckham ... but will your opinion change if McCaffery is ROY for Carolina?

      PS - Sproles Seems to be lasting as a small back in the NFL

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      • Panamamike
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        #51
        Originally posted by Big Dog View Post

        I hear ya, and I hope Williams does great for us ala o'dell Beckham ... but will your opinion change if McCaffery is ROY for Carolina?

        PS - Sproles Seems to be lasting as a small back in the NFL
        NO...it would not change my mind. First, he is in a unique offense with the read option threat. We don't have that. We also already have a lead back that is young and ascending . If i have a choice I choose MGIII, and i dont want to spend two first rounders (and trade up) at RB position. To me that is a foolish allocation of resources. Second, the reasons i stated dont change, so my opinion cant. I am great with having 2 backs share the load, but would not spend a top 10 pick on either back if that was my philosophy.

        as to Sproles....yes he has excellled for a long time as a "small" back. But he has never had to take the pounding of a lead back. He has been mainly a change of pace and 3rd down guy. He also is a pocket hercules build at 5'6" and 190. He was also drafted in the 5th rd.....not top 10. An excelent specialist amd special team guy. I would never spend a first rd pick on a 3rd down back, which is how i see McCafferey. I could be wrong, but the reasons i would not draft McCaffery in the top 10 to me are valid and i would live with the result either way.

        i was also on this/old board saying Bush would not be worth a top pick when everyone had him #1 and i took a lot of heat for saying he would be a Metcalf type of 3rd down back and could not take the pounding of a lead back.
        Last edited by Panamamike; 06-19-2017, 11:48 PM.

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        • Panamamike
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          #52
          Originally posted by Big Dog View Post

          I hear ya, and I hope Williams does great for us ala o'dell Beckham ... but will your opinion change if McCaffery is ROY for Carolina?

          PS - Sproles Seems to be lasting as a small back in the NFL
          I hope like hell he does not have ODb type divaness though. I think Williams is the best of the Clemson Wrs that have come out the past 10yrs. He has to stay healthy, but he is a beast in the Mike Evans mold. I will gladly take that.
          Last edited by Panamamike; 06-19-2017, 11:49 PM.

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          • Formula 21
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            #53
            McCaffery can only hope he'll be as good as Sproles.
            Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
            The Wasted Decade is done.
            Build Back Better.

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            • Fleet
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              • WindsorUK
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                #55
                Originally posted by Big Dog View Post

                You got it the wrong way around, 5 losses, so 11-5 this year even if we are without the rookie, a win or 2 more if he is in the lineup.

                but I hear ya, McCaffery (rookie of the year favorite) should have been the pick instead of Williams once Adams was off the board.
                I just saw this Big Dog,and can't quite figure it out?
                I stated we don't get great production from our top draft picks, which lead to a 5 win season last year.
                Are you suggesting we'll only lose 5 games this coming season? Stranger things have happened .

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                • Steve
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                  #56
                  I don't think McCaffery would have been a ROY candidate for us. Our OL has a lot of work to do to even be average. McCaffery needs a lot of work in blitz protection and route running. I think the situation in Carolina (their offense, their OL and their defense) is probably a better fit for him than we are. He should be a better change of pace back for them, than a Woodhead replacement. In time, that would probably reverse, as ultimately, I think McCaffery would be a better slot WR/3rd down back than regular RB.

                  That doesn't mean I wouldn't have taken him, just he is going to take a while to develop those skills. I think too many people get hung up on the idea that a top draft pick MUST be massively productive right away. If they are great, but as long as they show something, I am fine with players who develop a little later. Natrone Means (arguably the 2nd best RB the Chargers have ever had) only split time as a rookie with Marion Butts. And that is at a position that is conducive to being productive early.

                  Williams should be fine. We have enough depth at WR that we don't need him to be a day 1 starter. I expect if he can play some on ST, that he should get some playing time from the start of the season. Get him on the field and they can let him develop a bit more slowly, get some catches here and there and by the end of the season, he will probably get some decent playing time.

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                  • Big Dog
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                    #57
                    Given his neck injury history, I don't want Williams playing ST's at all, put him in as an extra WR in the red zone a few times a game if you have to start him slow...

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                    • Panamamike
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                      #58
                      Originally posted by Big Dog View Post
                      Given his neck injury history, I don't want Williams playing ST's at all, put him in as an extra WR in the red zone a few times a game if you have to start him slow...
                      I agree. I so 0 benefit to having him on ST given the neck injury in college.

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                      • Steve
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                        #59
                        I get the neck injury thing, but how many backup WR are active on any given week if they don't play ST? If he doesn't play ST, then he has to play enough minutes as the starter to justify activating someone else, which given how far behind he is, probably won't happen.

                        If you are a backup in the NFL, you play ST if you are active. If you don't play ST (as a backup) then you are a scratch just about every week. Hell, there are starters on every team that play on ST.

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                        • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                          #60
                          Let's wrap him up in bubble wrap till next year...
                          Go Rivers!

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