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  • Chargers Penalties

    Just for discussion:

    Total:
    38, tied with Chicago, an Houston. They are in the bottom 3rd of the league, indicating that there are too many breakdowns that give the opposition free yards IMHO. To get better they will have to give away fewer yards and first downs.
    Only the following have more:
    Jacksonville (39)
    New England (30)
    Seattle (41)
    Pittsburgh (42)
    Kansas City (42)
    San Francisco (49)

    Delay of Game:
    7, most in the league, next closest is Carolina with 4

    False Starts:
    8, only 3 teams have more:
    Los Angeles Rams (9)
    San Francisco (9)
    Indianapolis (12)

    Offensive Holding:
    3, this the Chargers are one of the better teams as only 2 teams have fewer Tampa Bay, and Miami, with 2 each.

    Offensive Pass Interference:
    0, 9 teams, including the Chargers have 0.

    Offside:
    3, Seattle leads the league with 6. I expected more based on the aggressive pass rush the Chargers have. Pleasantly surprised with this one being so low.

    Defensive Holding:
    2, again a lower stat than expected especially with the weakness of the secondary. Kansas City leads the league with 9.

    Illegal Contact.
    Chargers and most of the league have 0. 6 teams have 1, New England, Washington, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Baltimore and Dallas. Nothing to see here…

    Defensive Pass Interference:
    Chargers have 0, while Cincinnati leads the league with 10. I wonder if it is that the Chargers are not close enough to interfere, or just not getting flagged.

    Roughing the Passer:
    Chargers have 1, most teams have 1, while 10 have 0. Not much to see here. Again I would not be surprised to see more, given the aggressive pass rush.

    Unnecessary Roughness:
    Chargers have the 3rd most with 3. Oakland has 4, Pittsburgh and Detroit have 5.

    Other Fouls:
    Chargers are middle of the pack with 11 other fouls.

    Does this say anything to anyone else?

  • #2
    Not sure why Rivers seems to be panicked to get the ball hiked every fucking snap. It blows my mind. It has to be communication. What is holding him up? Why is he slower to recognize and change the call? Its happening to fast for him it feels. And again i have to wonder if hes just not right in some way.
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    • #3
      The Delay of Game and False Start should be correctable, but maybe due to hostile crowds home and away. It really isn't about giving the opposing sides yards, but more about stalling out promising drives due to lack of or poor communication between the QB with the sidelines as well as the the line of scrimmage.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fleet View Post
        Not sure why Rivers seems to be panicked to get the ball hiked every fucking snap. It blows my mind. It has to be communication. What is holding him up? Why is he slower to recognize and change the call? Its happening to fast for him it feels. And again i have to wonder if hes just not right in some way.
        He has always made me mad with his clock management at the LOS. Especially in a situational hurry up play. But the safety last game, that is just frustrating on so many levels. If the Center isnt looking back, isnt one of the guards supposed to look back, then tap his leg? No excuses for that mess up.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Fleet View Post
          Not sure why Rivers seems to be panicked to get the ball hiked every fucking snap. It blows my mind. It has to be communication. What is holding him up? Why is he slower to recognize and change the call? Its happening to fast for him it feels. And again i have to wonder if hes just not right in some way.
          I don't think he has a severe head injury that is making him unable to process signals. If I had to guess, I'd say Whiz is taking too long to send in the plays. Whatever the reason, I wish they'd speed it up by a couple of seconds.

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          • #6
            Head injury didnt cross my mind. lol I think its a communication issue. And maybe a lack of ability to read and react to what hes seeing on the defense. Just a thought. Again i wonder if hes overburdened by traveling every day. I doubt his film study in a car is exactly what they have in a full blown NFL film room.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
              The Delay of Game and False Start should be correctable, but maybe due to hostile crowds home and away. It really isn't about giving the opposing sides yards, but more about stalling out promising drives due to lack of or poor communication between the QB with the sidelines as well as the the line of scrimmage.
              I agree.
              And the communication between the sideline and Rivers MUST be fixed.

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              • #8
                The delay of game thing is that they are having Rivers do all the protection adjustments. It makes sense since Pulley probably has never done protection adjustments before. But, when Rivers calls out a play, then changes it, then adjusts the protection.... it adds up. Maybe they need to consider letting Slauson do the adjustments, assuming he was the one doing the adjustments last year.

                I'm just pretty sure, that with as often as it is happening, we are going to see defenses doing, even more, disguises and adjustments to hide their calls until the last possible second to try and get Rivers to keep adjusting the play. At some point, we may be better off with the next best play, and just adjusting the protection in an effort to speed things up.

                As far as the totals, I would rather see us take a few more, it they are smartly done. We have allowed several broken coverages, so a PI or holding call is not out of line if the guy is going to score for sure, and a few offsides to really get the OL to start being a little twitchy (even more so than they already are) wouldn't kill us either.

                Part of why we have so few PI and holding calls is we are letting WR and TE run through our secondary and not really contesting them as much as we should. KC may lead the league, but for the most part, their secondary is contesting a lot of throws, so to a degree, you can live with some of those. Washington had only 1 PI call in a season once, but they had the worst coverage in NFL history, so it isn't necessarily a positive if you are giving up lots of long TD passes.
                Last edited by Steve; 10-10-2017, 06:13 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fleet View Post
                  Head injury didnt cross my mind. lol I think its a communication issue. And maybe a lack of ability to read and react to what hes seeing on the defense. Just a thought. Again i wonder if hes overburdened by traveling every day. I doubt his film study in a car is exactly what they have in a full blown NFL film room.
                  I feel like this happened even when Norval was coaching
                  Forget it Donny you're out of your element

                  Shut the fuck up Donny

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by richpjr View Post

                    I don't think he has a severe head injury that is making him unable to process signals. If I had to guess, I'd say Whiz is taking too long to send in the plays. Whatever the reason, I wish they'd speed it up by a couple of seconds.
                    This has been going on since the days of Norv. Quite frankly, he spazzes out and as Steve points out, defenses are now toying with him.

                    Both the delay of game penalties and the false starts are interconnected and are the result of rushing and being disorganized before the snap.

                    Two other effects of this is 1. it allows the defenses to be able to time the snaps and tee off and 2. It unbalances our offensive line and they don't manage to get a full push because they have no idea at what point the ball is getting snapped so they end up on their heels.

                    If you wonder why we don't run block very well, it's not only a talent gap but it is also being put at a disadvantage from the get go due to the chaotic pre-snaps which in effect unbalances the line.

                    Go back and watch games where Rivers is deep into his adjustments and you will see that almost every time, the O-line gets overrun.

                    If I'm a defense, my strategy against Rivers and the chargers is the following:

                    1. Get him to adjust into the final seconds of the snap count, placing the O-line on their heels.

                    2. Focus on pushing up the middle so he can't step into his throw and has to move outside the pocket. If you can get Rivers outside of the pocket you are almost guaranteed a lost down every time because for whatever reason, Rivers cannot throw on the run at all. It is a guaranteed lost play at the very minimum. You also stop the inside runs the Chargers insist on running on first and second downs.

                    These two things are what cause the Chargers to be in 3rd and long situations constantly as well as disorganized and unbalanced in time critical situations.

                    Part of it is on Rivers but you can also blame bad coaching since they allow it to go on unimpeded.

                    Also, If I was the GM of this team the number one thing I would have fixed looooong ago above all else would have been beefing up the middle of the line. Rivers needs a quality center and guards to be successful(early part of his career). He is great at moving within the pocket but he needs to be able to step up into the pocket to be able to do that but again he does no favors to the guys we have there now with the chaotic line adjustments.

                    If we can get the problem with Rivers and the middle of the line under control, this team could bounce back rather quickly on the offensive end. All we need now is some competent coaching to recognize this and adjust.

                    I really liked the end around runs and trick plays we used in the last game. We need more of that to keep defenses guessing. Unfortunately we seem to always go back to the same old things.
                    Last edited by RollingThunder; 10-11-2017, 09:01 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Back in my school days, every class had that one kid who showed up at the bus stop at the last minute. Sometimes he had to chase the bus down the street. Some days he didn’t make it.

                      I always thought Rivers was that kid.
                      “We’ve got a good team. You see how we played for three quarters.” --Mike McCoy

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                      • #12

                        Fleet, you really think on all those passes Rivers can his an open receiver while he is fading backward without his feet set?

                        This guy made zero effort to look at the rest of the play, or to roll back and forth through it. Yes, the receivers are open, but that is irrelevant if the QB can't get the ball to them.

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                        • #13
                          Rivers never has been a great on the run thrower. Its obvious the pocker is consistently collapsing in those plays. Defenses are forcing this behavior and we cant protect without help. Ol is getting blown up too often and Rivers cant step into throws where he is very adept at picking apart defenses. Ol needs to gel at least on run blocking or pass protection....get 1 going,,,start with the run game

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Steve View Post
                            Fleet, you really think on all those passes Rivers can his an open receiver while he is fading backward without his feet set?

                            This guy made zero effort to look at the rest of the play, or to roll back and forth through it. Yes, the receivers are open, but that is irrelevant if the QB can't get the ball to them.
                            I think he missed Benjamin on an easy TD. I think he missed 2 other wide open WRs that he didnt even see as he never looked. Ive seen him make those plays yes. Im not saying the OL isnt terrible. Im saying Rivers isnt seeing open WRs. Wether his feet are set or not hes not even looking at the open WRs.

                            I thought the Special Ed comment was harsh. I was a SE teachers assistant in school. And those kids meant a lot to me. You are basically calling this guy retarded. Which i didnt expect from you. Hes a friend of mine and you attacked him. Hes also a member here. And i didnt want him to see your over the top comments.

                            You sort of lost me after that comment. I deleted it because it didnt sit well with me.
                            Lele Me Ka Aeto

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bonehead View Post

                              I feel like this happened even when Norval was coaching
                              I thought Norv coached it.
                              Making the push

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                              • #16
                                When Rivers is gone, I think it is going to be eye opening on how much the entire offense relies on him for the pre-snap protection adjustments and changing the plays at the LOS that have zero chance of succeeding. Unless there is a massive infuse of talent on the line at the same time his replacement is drafted, I suspect the O is going to take a pretty big hit and the rebuild will be painful.

                                My own opinion is that the commute is not a big issue as I'm not convinced it matters where he watches film as long as he watches it. Is it optimal? No, but I suspect moving away from his family during the week or uprooting and moving his family would have a bigger impact on him. Has he missed open receivers? Yep, just like every QB in the league does every single game. We know he can't throw on the run and we know the interior of our line sucks and the pocket is pushed in his face every game. Spending a high draft pick on his replacement, like we'll have to do soon, takes away from fixing that issue. Rivers isn't perfect and certainly has his flaws but so much focus on him as the problem seems pretty misguided to me.

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                                • #17
                                  Is it Rivers or Whiz?
                                  Does PR call any of his own plays or does he get everything from the sidelines?
                                  And if he does get plays from the sideline, does he spend too much time adjusting plays at the line of scrimmage?
                                  This seems as if it should be an easy fix. If PR is audible-izing every other play, tell him to stop. If Whiz is taking too long to send in the plays, let someone else do it.
                                  The longer the defenders get to see the O lined up in front of them, it allows them more time to disect what's coming.
                                  Maybe we should go no huddle, 2 minute drill the whole game? Couldn't be much worse than it already is.

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