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  • If the Colts beat Chiefs, refs will try to screw us

    I've never been one to complain about the refs, but that game yesterday was atrocious. It had me believing all sorts of conspiracy theories LOL.

    I would like to hope it was just a shitty crew but man, that's two games that they really had some questionable calls. If the Colts win Saturday and the potential exists for the AFCCG to be at the Stub...I really start to worry how our game on Sunday will be called.

    Obviously all the focus should be on NE, but I hate having to worry about outside forces.
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  • #2
    Yeah, it's clear that Goodell don't want any of his playoff game at a small soccer stadium.
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    • #3
      I was going to start a thread with something similar. LOL.

      I really want the Colts to win, but if they do... I imagine we will face some shady crap, as there is no way the NFL wants the Chargers hosting the AFC Championship game in that small stadium.

      Thoughts that were burning me up during yesterday's game:
      1. The Ravens actually got called for holding yesterday, and our D-line feasted on them. That first meeting, they were absolutely mugging Bosa and Ingram (and there was never a call), it was BRUTAL. If they had actually called it that way 2 weeks ago, the Chargers would have had home field.
      2. The exact same game... 2 weeks ago... the chargers got called for how many holding calls... and usually if we had a successful play, a flag would come in. Same game, we had flags thrown on us, for much less obvious penalties, it was atrocious.

      Yesterday, the holding calls/line play was called evenly, and you saw what happened.

      Allow me to take the moniker "conspiracy coach" for the following.... as I am not a conspiracy guy, by and large... I'm really not. But, as I said a couple times this season there has been things that make me wonder...

      1. The facemask on Ekeler on 3rd and goal. JFC. How do you miss that? It was the first thing that touched... his arm hit him in the head, and then he grabbed his face mask! Imagine if one of our players had hit Lamar Jackson directly in the facemask. That was TERRIBLE and inexcusable.
      2. The PI/or defensive holding non call on Keenan Allen. Even Tony Romo was like... how can he do that? Again... imagine that the other way... Lamar Jack scrambling around, and a charger DB grabs a WR. That killed a drive.
      3. Watt had a TD. Everyone knew it, everyone saw it, the guys in the booth all agreed... there was no way he was down. None. Terrible/atrocious call.
      4. After Watt is called down... the put the ball on the 1 yard line. not the 1 inch line. Hell they didn't even put it half way. That was the incorrect spot, after a replay...which leads directly to #5.
      5. MG, if he's handed the ball at the 1 inch line, instead of the 1 yard line... is in. 100% without question. I thought he was in anyway. Ground can't cause a fumble, so Baltimore has no gripe at all... and you could see the white powder bounce up from where the ball landed. Ridiculous. Even if you thought his arm was down... he'd have been in, if the ball had been placed correctly.
      6. Okung's "hold". It wasn't a hold. Yes he stuck his arm out, and there was no need to do so. But he didn't hold. That play would have iced the game. That was called by an official who "thought" it was going to happen.
      7. A couple guys noticed this during different times during the game day thread... there were multiple... 3 at least, maybe 4 or 5 times... where they marked the Chargers a yard short or so of where they actually went down or out of bounds at... but more than once. It's the little things like that, that drive me crazy... OK, so our guy runs out of bounds, you're going to mark it a full yard back of where he got. Their guy get tackled on a run up the gut, and you give him a half yard extra, from where he went down... that stuff drives me insane.

      So yes, I do agree, that if we want a fairly called game... we actually want the Chiefs to win. Which is asinine.

      Most of the time they aren't blatant, like the Watt TD... but you watch how many holding penalties they call on us against NE, especially if the game is close.
      -and by the way, they won't get called for any. I know that going in.... they are going to hold Bosa and Ingram every play, and it won't get called once, so just prepare yourself for that.
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      • #4
        So, conspiracy guys... how much do you think the NFL is paying off these officials to make stupid calls against the Chargers? Come on. Everything evens out. And fans from every team complain about the officials, no matter what. The big gamblers wouldn't put up with a huge bias on any team, either way.

        I know, it's a bad look to have a championship game at the soccer stadium, but the league didn't disapprove the move to "stubhub", and they aren't moving it to a bigger venue. Spanos still making money on the deal, no matter what.

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        • #5
          Both us and IND are vulnerable to be screw over by the refs, to make sure no playoff game is host in a small soccer stadium. I would not trust Goodell on anything.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
            So, conspiracy guys... how much do you think the NFL is paying off these officials to make stupid calls against the Chargers? Come on. Everything evens out. And fans from every team complain about the officials, no matter what. The big gamblers wouldn't put up with a huge bias on any team, either way.

            I know, it's a bad look to have a championship game at the soccer stadium, but the league didn't disapprove the move to "stubhub", and they aren't moving it to a bigger venue. Spanos still making money on the deal, no matter what.
            They don't have to pay them anything. Just look for this, don't look for that... they are their employer. Do you want to work the next round or not? Do you want good assignments or not?

            I don't think the games are predetermined. I do think officials are told to look for certain things from certain teams...and allow certain things to certain teams because of name/reputation/etc... certain players get calls that others don't, like in the NBA. Who was the old LT from the Broncos...can't remember his name, he NEVER got called for holding...but he held all the time... but he had a rep as a good player.

            Rodney Harrison is a great example.... great player for the Chargers but got called for late hits, and things of that nature, all the time... the one that cost us that Chiefs game I'll never forget... it wasn't even a late hit in today's NFL... he got that by reputation.
            -Then he goes to the Patriots, and he's barely penalized for anything. Huh? what changed? Did he change how he played? Nope... reputation.

            The Ravens have a reputation for having a tough/physical defense... so they are allowed to grab/hold do excessive things to our Wide Receivers.

            Like I said, it's not predetermined... but the only way to overcome it, is to win. And then you get the good reputation.
            "...of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

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            • #7
              Man, Harrison is really a great example of that, lol.

              I feel for IND, too. Both them and us are vulnerable next week to be screw over by Goodell.

              About predetermine, no ones really know. Never say never. Like before they got bust, no one believes 99% of FIFA are corrupted and bride all over the place, selling games, betting on games. FIFA was one of the most reputed organization out there before the scandal. Much more reputed than Goodell and his shady reputation.
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              • #8
                I will agree that the officials are given points of emphasis, which are known to all teams, so smart teams will avoid those things. The key to not getting called is not to do the "crime". Yes, there are some missed calls, but they still even out. As far a "reputation" and "name", it might happen, but often those penalty calls are "to the letter of the rule", especially around QBs. I do think that PR doesn't get his "fair" share of calls, but he doesn't sell it very well, being a very durable QB that doesn't squirm on the ground after being tapped on his head, or the referee/umpire just doesn't see those that well.

                I'll say that Blakeman didn't do a good job for both Ravens game, particularly the review of the Watt catch, but he's been generally a very good Referee. He didn't call any roughing on the QBs, even though the Chargers were in jail break mode for 50 minutes. But at the end, the Chargers got sloppy, and when you are sloppy, you get called, even on ticky-tack. The missed contact/PI on KA was bad, put that on the individual official.

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                • #9
                  Even if we didn't have to worry about the game being placed at the Stub, we're still going against the NFL's Golden boy so you know they'll get all the favorable calls anyway.

                  They don't want to see Bosa and Ingram mauling Brady so I expect them to get held A LOT. We need to simply outplay them to the point where there is no doubt about the outcome.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
                    So, conspiracy guys... how much do you think the NFL is paying off these officials to make stupid calls against the Chargers? Come on. Everything evens out. And fans from every team complain about the officials, no matter what. The big gamblers wouldn't put up with a huge bias on any team, either way.

                    I know, it's a bad look to have a championship game at the soccer stadium, but the league didn't disapprove the move to "stubhub", and they aren't moving it to a bigger venue. Spanos still making money on the deal, no matter what.
                    Actually the league did disapprove of the Chargers move to LA and Stub Hub but had no other choice. They donít have to pay the refs anymore than their job. I also donít think itís the whole crew but a few trusted refs in positions to change games that can sway things.

                    I also wonder what what it would take for the nfl to try to sway outcomes? Could it be in another down year for viewership, a hostile president and media sources and a shrinking cash cow that they may try to keep a black eye for the league from happening? You donít think they love their giant stadiums? Why did Kronke win LA?

                    Come on man, if you think billionaires arenít interested in image and more money then you are being purposefully obtuse.
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                    • #11
                      The one thing possibly in our favor is that any LA representation in the Super Bowl would be nice hype for the new upcoming stadium as well as excitement for football in LA in general. That could be worth some money for the NFL and the owners in the long term. Even if the game is played at the Stub.

                      Let's see how the Cowboys/Rams game is called.
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                      • #12
                        I can live with a few shitty calls. Itís the timing of the shitty calls that makes people believe thereís a conspiracy. The ball spotting yesterday is what had me calling bullshit. I canít believe the coaches didnít call them out on that either.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jagged View Post
                          I can live with a few shitty calls. Itís the timing of the shitty calls that makes people believe thereís a conspiracy. The ball spotting yesterday is what had me calling bullshit. I canít believe the coaches didnít call them out on that either.
                          So much this. AND if you don't think a multi BILLION dollar industry wants a "home" team in a small soccer stadium, that will be half filled by opposing fans, for a conference championship game, you're delusional. That's bad optics.

                          Look at what they did with the concussions scandal. Hide and deny, hide and deny.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Budsman View Post

                            Actually the league did disapprove of the Chargers move to LA and Stub Hub but had no other choice. They donít have to pay the refs anymore than their job. I also donít think itís the whole crew but a few trusted refs in positions to change games that can sway things.

                            ...

                            Come on man, if you think billionaires arenít interested in image and more money then you are being purposefully obtuse.
                            Of course they are interested in image. But then I don't think they will be out to screw one of their members of their club for the sake of not having a championship game at a small venue. TV fixes that for them. The owners approved a path for the Chargers to move to LA, thinking that the Charger ownership wouldn't take it. They were wrong, but also the local politicians didn't make it a good deal for them to stay, and the local fans got screwed (that is the entire county, not just the city) It's all fucked up, but us fans have only a choice to follow or not follow.

                            Its a good point that it may be a select few moles that might be throwing games, but my belief is that officials are doing the best job they can, and that the league wants to promote itself as following integrity. It may be naive, but then again I have nothing into game outcomes other than fandom.

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                            • #15
                              This theory can also work the other way. Bolts are clearly 2nd favorite in LA and struggle to fill soccer stadium. How do they get a following and fill a $4B crown jewel stadium? A championship!

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by chargerkdb View Post
                                This theory can also work the other way. Bolts are clearly 2nd favorite in LA and struggle to fill soccer stadium. How do they get a following and fill a $4B crown jewel stadium? A championship!
                                Exactly. Everything has a counterpoint. People twist what ever happens to them into a conspiracy, but sometimes you just have to objectively look at what happened. Okung was pissed when he got called for that "hold" and blamed Goodell as wanting the Chargers to fail. Just play better Russel.

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                                • #17
                                  Are you F'in kidding me? You must have too much time on your hands to think up this stuff. The refs miss things...has happened for years. Some games it may favor 1 team but its ridiculous to think Goodell or the head office would even think of doing something that would so undermine the integrity of the sport and cause dissention.......its ludicrous. Get over the all owners and the NFL leaders are evil mentality.....im a businessman that deals in millions of dollars, I'm not evil, its a business and I do my best for my clients. If I owned a franchise I'd try to grow it and decisions aren't EVER black and white regarding how you invest your money in people or investments.

                                  Its fine to complain about the refs...they miss calls. They missed Allen getting mugged and there is NO recourse. I'd rather argue they need to allow challenges on missed penalties or challenge a penalty called at least (issue with missed penalties is there are penalties every play so the game would grind to a halt).

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                                  • #18
                                    I have no problem with the refs not calling everything. Its just they seem to make a bullshit call on the Bolts at critical times all too often. And they have no problem with Rivers taking late hits.
                                    Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Coachmarkos View Post
                                      I was going to start a thread with something similar. LOL.


                                      3. Watt had a TD. Everyone knew it, everyone saw it, the guys in the booth all agreed... there was no way he was down. None. Terrible/atrocious call.
                                      4. After Watt is called down... the put the ball on the 1 yard line. not the 1 inch line. Hell they didn't even put it half way. That was the incorrect spot, after a replay...which leads directly to #5.
                                      7. A couple guys noticed this during different times during the game day thread... there were multiple... 3 at least, maybe 4 or 5 times... where they marked the Chargers a yard short or so of where they actually went down or out of bounds at... but more than once. It's the little things like that, that drive me crazy... OK, so our guy runs out of bounds, you're going to mark it a full yard back of where he got. Their guy get tackled on a run up the gut, and you give him a half yard extra, from where he went down... that stuff drives me insane.

                                      So yes, I do agree, that if we want a fairly called game... we actually want the Chiefs to win. Which is asinine.

                                      Most of the time they aren't blatant, like the Watt TD... but you watch how many holding penalties they call on us against NE, especially if the game is close.
                                      -and by the way, they won't get called for any. I know that going in.... they are going to hold Bosa and Ingram every play, and it won't get called once, so just prepare yourself for that.
                                      Coach, thanks for posting this. I feel the exact same way. My son the Steelers' fan watched with me and rooted for the Chargers because he hates Ravens like we hate the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders. I had someone to talk to during the game and I lamented many times about the spots. They were routinely a yard or more short. The Watt catch was a TD but if you cannot see that, at least spot the ball where he was and not where the play began! I just don't get it.

                                      And NE has never, ever, EVER been called for offensive holding. They are magical. Mythical. They alone can give their QB 5 seconds to stand flat footed and scan the field without ever doing anyting against the rules. And it has been that way for YEARS. Any QB will look good with that much time.

                                      TG
                                      Like, how am I a traitor? Your team are traitors.

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                                      • #20
                                        I can live with the Zebra's mistakes.. or conspiracy theories.. but what killed me was the ball spotting... even it there was inconclusive evidence to overturn it, it was more than enough evidence to put the ball at the right place.. not 1 yard behind...

                                        One last thought... I think Dan Feeney had a horrible game... I might be wrong but he was the one blocking the fellow that blocked the FG...

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