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  • Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post
    I don't think people who keep thinking that contracts being given out are bad contracts realize that the cap is rising.

    I wish player contracts were were announced as a percentage of the salary cap as opposed to the actual $$$.

    Its kind of like the NBA, Kobe Bryant made less in 2006 than Eric Bledsoe (who?) will make next year and yet Bledsoe's contract is seen as a massive steal.

    To put it even simpler terms, it's sort of like how the minimum wage is going up all across the country.

    High guaranteed contracts is the new norm in the NFL. When Bosa hits free agency, he's gonna command something like $40-$60M in guaranteed money alone and his overall $$ probably exceeds $100M. I bet there will be outrage at that too because people simply can't comprehend how the market has changed.

    And whenever Derwin James hits free agency, his contract will be even more than what Landan Collins just got as well.


    You keep pointing to all these guys and their past accomplishments. That is NOT who you get. In fact, every player who was a FA, except a couple are actually big name guys who are not all that great. They are being paid far more than market value. We can get them after their current team cuts them if they have anything left.

    If they were such great players in the 1st place, why is their current team letting them go? They are letting them go because they either have some else cheaper or are allocating their resources to win more games, even if it means paying less to a big name guy. This is Moneyball on a grand scale. You only have so many "assets". Also, remember that NBA and MLB have soft caps, so teams are in no way playing on a level playing field. NFL teams have the same amount of draft capital and salary cap space. But good teams make better use of it, and bad teams are big spenders in FA

    You sign these players with great track records who are former all pro's, and you GET the guy who is feeling great about themselves and plays like shit because he doesn't do all the things he has done that made him a great player. You ALMOST NEVER get the guy you paid for. LOOK IT UP. SIGNING BIG MONEY FA DOES NOT WORK IN THE NFL.

    The fact that everyone overpays and then has buyers remorse after 2-3 seasons and carries tons of dead money because they cut them and then overpay for the next guy, just in time to rinse, and repeat.

    The best FA are the guys who sign 2 or 3-year deals at market value or less and have to continue to play their way into a big deal, or the rookie you build up from nothing. Then you get the guy, who is in the same environment that he developed in. He is in the same environment, and in their work habits and scheme fits are good. Then you do get the same thing... most of the time. It is still high risk, but at least you have a chance. But there will still be the Corey Liugets and Donald Butlers.

    As far as Landon Collins: https://riggosrag.com/2019/03/12/red...2-watch-19-fa/ it is really a 3 year deal.

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    • Originally posted by Steve View Post



      You keep pointing to all these guys and their past accomplishments. That is NOT who you get. In fact, every player who was a FA, except a couple are actually big name guys who are not all that great. They are being paid far more than market value. We can get them after their current team cuts them if they have anything left.

      If they were such great players in the 1st place, why is their current team letting them go? They are letting them go because they either have some else cheaper or are allocating their resources to win more games, even if it means paying less to a big name guy. This is Moneyball on a grand scale. You only have so many "assets". Also, remember that NBA and MLB have soft caps, so teams are in no way playing on a level playing field. NFL teams have the same amount of draft capital and salary cap space. But good teams make better use of it, and bad teams are big spenders in FA

      You sign these players with great track records who are former all pro's, and you GET the guy who is feeling great about themselves and plays like shit because he doesn't do all the things he has done that made him a great player. You ALMOST NEVER get the guy you paid for. LOOK IT UP. SIGNING BIG MONEY FA DOES NOT WORK IN THE NFL.

      The fact that everyone overpays and then has buyers remorse after 2-3 seasons and carries tons of dead money because they cut them and then overpay for the next guy, just in time to rinse, and repeat.

      The best FA are the guys who sign 2 or 3-year deals at market value or less and have to continue to play their way into a big deal, or the rookie you build up from nothing. Then you get the guy, who is in the same environment that he developed in. He is in the same environment, and in their work habits and scheme fits are good. Then you do get the same thing... most of the time. It is still high risk, but at least you have a chance. But there will still be the Corey Liugets and Donald Butlers.

      As far as Landon Collins: https://riggosrag.com/2019/03/12/red...2-watch-19-fa/ it is really a 3 year deal.
      Great points, Steve. Even though some FA's have signed big contracts and performed well, there generally seems to be a pattern I've noticed where there's a dropoff in productivity after those big bucks and bonuses are secured in a new deal. TT learned early with Cox, Brown and Franklin that big splashes in FA can sometimes turn into a belly flop. And AJ Smith before him made some colossal blunders in both FA, contracts and contract extensions, throwing away big bucks to slackers and/or underperformers: Lazy Gaither, Shane Olivea, Jyles Tucker, Sammy Davis, Buster Davis, Robert Meachem, a long list of bloated contracts that set us back for years in dead cap money. Now, finally, TT seems to be on the right track, finding those market value or less players who are hungry and glad to have a job, and signing them to a reasonable, fair, team-friendly deal.
      Last edited by Topcat; 03-14-2019, 07:03 PM.
      Bolt Mock 10.0:
      1. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
      2. Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia
      3. Khalil Hodge, LB, Buffalo
      4. Darnell Savage, FS, Maryland
      5. Corey Ballentine, CB, Washburn
      6. KeeSean Johnson, WR, Fresno St.
      7. Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan

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      • Originally posted by Topcat View Post

        Great points, Steve. Even though some FA's have signed big contracts and performed well, there generally seems to be a pattern I've noticed where there's a dropoff in productivity after those big bucks and bonuses are secured in a new deal. TT learned early with Cox, Brown and Franklin that big splashes in FA can sometimes turn into a belly flop. And AJ Smith before him made some colossal blunders in both FA, contracts and contract extensions, throwing away big bucks to slackers and/or underperformers: Lazy Gaither, Shane Olivea, Jyles Tucker, Sammy Davis, Buster Davis, Robert Meachem, a long list of bloated contracts that set us back for years in dead cap money. Now, finally, TT seems to be on the right track, finding those market value or less players who are hungry and glad to have a job, and signing them to a reasonable, fair, team-friendly deal.
        The thing is, this isn't just something that happens to us. It happens to EVERYONE. I can't tell you the number of teams I have tracked, and how many times I have looked at the previous years FA lists, only to see maybe one or two FA who pan out, on lists of 10-20 or more players. They represent the biggest contracts, and are usually the biggest disappointments.

        There are a few exceptions. Some of the teams that are SB contenders can pull it off. Denver, under Elway (intially), when Manning was their QB. You knew it was SB or bust, and their locker room was draconian about making sure everyone toed the party line. Add in a few vets who would play for less than market value to win a SB, everyone worked hard and efficiently. Their recent foray's into FA have been much less successful.

        Den big signing was Ju'Wan James who is now the highest paid RT in football (now). The problem is that he isn't even the best OT on his own team, let alone in the league. he is actually pretty average, except he has gotten hot last season and put together a pretty good stretch. He was a good player. They are paying him like a great one. The bidding got silly because he was the best of a bad bunch, but Denver had to have him. They have too many holes to just use the draft.

        And that is why TT doesn't like to be forced to draft for need. Den has used draft picks galore, and FA money in dump trucks, and the best they can hope for based on his past performance is a better than average RT, who is being paid like an elite player.

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        • I don't care if people want to type that Telesco doesn't like to draft for need and he likes to go BPA, but he'll need to get creative when we have plenty of "necessary" holes to patch up with the first few picks.

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          • Originally posted by Steve View Post

            The thing is, this isn't just something that happens to us. It happens to EVERYONE. I can't tell you the number of teams I have tracked, and how many times I have looked at the previous years FA lists, only to see maybe one or two FA who pan out, on lists of 10-20 or more players. They represent the biggest contracts, and are usually the biggest disappointments.

            There are a few exceptions. Some of the teams that are SB contenders can pull it off. Denver, under Elway (intially), when Manning was their QB. You knew it was SB or bust, and their locker room was draconian about making sure everyone toed the party line. Add in a few vets who would play for less than market value to win a SB, everyone worked hard and efficiently. Their recent foray's into FA have been much less successful.

            Den big signing was Ju'Wan James who is now the highest paid RT in football (now). The problem is that he isn't even the best OT on his own team, let alone in the league. he is actually pretty average, except he has gotten hot last season and put together a pretty good stretch. He was a good player. They are paying him like a great one. The bidding got silly because he was the best of a bad bunch, but Denver had to have him. They have too many holes to just use the draft.

            And that is why TT doesn't like to be forced to draft for need. Den has used draft picks galore, and FA money in dump trucks, and the best they can hope for based on his past performance is a better than average RT, who is being paid like an elite player.
            Here's a story about some of the best and worst FA signings from last year. Here's the worst:

            1. Sam Bradford, QB, Arizona Cardinals
            Deal: One year, $20 million
            The Cardinals knew Bradford's knee was bad, and they signed him anyway to a contract that included $15 million in full guarantees at signing. Bradford played just three games for the Cardinals before rookie Josh Rosen took over as the starter, and the veteran signal-caller was released later in the season. The only bright side to this signing was that Arizona ended up having to pay Bradford just three of his $313,500 per-game roster bonuses. He still cost the Cardinals nearly $16 million for three games, all of which they lost.

            2. Vontae Davis, CB, Buffalo Bills
            Deal: One year, $5 million
            This wasn't an unreasonable deal, price-wise, with only $3 million guaranteed. No, the reason this deal is on this list is the pesky little fact that Davis RETIRED AT HALFTIME of the Bills' Week 2 loss to the Chargers. Buffalo certainly can get some of its money back, but I think it's more than fair to say the Bills didn't get as much out of Davis as they were hoping to get when they signed him.

            3. Nate Solder, OT, New York Giants
            Deal: Four years, $62 million
            Sick of disappointing 2015 first-round pick Ereck Flowers, who never developed into the franchise left tackle the Giants expected him to be when they picked him No. 9 overall, the Giants won a bidding war for the 30-year-old Solder. It cost them a $62 million contract with $34.8 million in full guarantees. At the time, it made Solder the highest-paid tackle in NFL history. Only nine NFL teams allowed more sacks than the Giants in 2018.

            4. Paul Richardson, WR, Washington
            Deal: Five years, $40 million
            This sweet baby included $12.5 million in full guarantees at signing. Washington is still on the hook for $1 million in guaranteed salary in 2019, and more guarantees vest if Richardson is on the team on the fifth day of the league year. Richardson struggled with injuries all season and caught 20 passes for 262 yards and two touchdowns. Those reception and yardage numbers are lower than his career averages during his time in Seattle, but not by much.

            5. Cody Parkey, K, Chicago Bears
            Deal: Four years, $15 million
            No, I'm not piling on. You can be sympathetic to Parkey's feelings following the missed kick that ended Chicago's season and still objectively say he had a bad year. That kick was the 11th one Parkey missed this season, and quite frankly, he's being paid like a guy who never misses. Last spring, the Bears gave Parkey a deal that included $9 million in full guarantees. That figure includes $3.5 million in fully guaranteed salary for 2019, which means Parkey likely isn't going anywhere. I'm sure he's a great guy who doesn't deserve the abuse he's taking, but ... $9 million guaranteed? Who was offering $8 million?

            Dishonorable mentions: Trumaine Johnson, CB, Jets; Carlos Hyde, RB, Browns; Donte Moncrief, WR, Jaguars; Case Keenum, QB, Broncos; Malcolm Butler, CB, Titans

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...agent-signings
            Bolt Mock 10.0:
            1. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
            2. Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia
            3. Khalil Hodge, LB, Buffalo
            4. Darnell Savage, FS, Maryland
            5. Corey Ballentine, CB, Washburn
            6. KeeSean Johnson, WR, Fresno St.
            7. Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan

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            • Don't hit em with facts that they don't want to acknowledge. I not assuming everyone was around back then, but those of us who were, does the name David Boston strike fear into you?

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              • Rams last year. Eagles the year before. Redskins never.

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                • TT needs to sign Adrian Phillips. Like now. Like yesterday

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                  • Originally posted by jamrock View Post
                    TT needs to sign Adrian Phillips. Like now. Like yesterday
                    This.

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                    • Originally posted by Bolts4ever213 View Post
                      Don't hit em with facts that they don't want to acknowledge. I not assuming everyone was around back then, but those of us who were, does the name David Boston strike fear into you?
                      I'm quaking in my spikes:

                      Team: Chargers
                      Year: 2003
                      From a statistical standpoint, David Boston's only season with the Los Angeles Chargers was a success, with 880 receiving yards and seven touchdowns. The Chargers' seven-year, $47 million investment already appeared to be paying off. However, issues within the organization ultimately led San Diego to part ways with Boston after one year.

                      OUCH...

                      https://www.complex.com/sports/worst...y/david-boston
                      Bolt Mock 10.0:
                      1. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
                      2. Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia
                      3. Khalil Hodge, LB, Buffalo
                      4. Darnell Savage, FS, Maryland
                      5. Corey Ballentine, CB, Washburn
                      6. KeeSean Johnson, WR, Fresno St.
                      7. Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan

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                      • Originally posted by jamrock View Post
                        TT needs to sign Adrian Phillips. Like now. Like yesterday
                        IMV this is a player of particularly high value to the Chargers,
                        but not necessarily to others.

                        Adrian is so smart...must sign...sooner or later.
                        Taylor Rapp FS#1
                        Tytus Howard ORT#1
                        Khalen Saunders 3TECH#1
                        Te'von Coney SAM#2
                        Foster Moreau TE#2
                        Kyle Phillips LEO#2
                        Jalin Moore RB#3

                        v4

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                        • One of the things the Chargers do is let some of their FA test the waters. That way they get a true sense of what others view their worth.

                          For every TW that signs with Oakland, you bring some of the others back. Phillips needs to test the waters and realize he has a good deal with the Chargers.

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