Are The Chargers Really 8th On Offense?

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  • glutton4Bolts
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    #61
    Originally posted by Maniaque 6 View Post
    According to Chris Wesseling...


    8) Los Angeles Chargers


    Quarterback: B+ | Philip Rivers, Tyrod Taylor, Easton Stick

    Backfield: A- | Melvin Gordon, Austin Ekeler, Justin Jackson, Detrez Newsome

    Receiving corps: B+ | Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry (TE), Travis Benjamin, Dylan Cantrell, Artavis Scott, Virgil Green (TE)

    Offensive line: C | Russell Okung, Sam Tevi, Dan Feeney, Michael Schofield, Mike Pouncey, Cole Toner, Forrest Lamp, Trent Scott, Trey Pipkins


    Is that me or the Chargers offense is higher than that?

    QB: A-
    RB: A-
    REC: A
    OL: B-

    IMO, they're in the top 5
    I think your grades are good... but I would give the OL a C+ with potential... and I think the grade on said OL is more important (i.e. a higher weight) than the corresponding grades for RB/REC. The OL is probably twice as important as those skill positions. As such, I am OK with the 8th rank. Again, we have a ton of potential to go to the next level... but they never seem to be able to reach elite and I think the relative mediocrity of the OL is largely responsible.

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    • blueman
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      #62
      I think we're gonna have to wait for the season to start for an accurate grade on the OL, they may suck balls or they may dominate.

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      • like54ninjas
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        #63


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        • Velo
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          #64
          The loss of Tyrell Williams, Melvin Gordon's holdout, and Russell Okung's status unknown due to illness - these three missing from last year's offense is going to factor in how the pundits rate the offense.

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          • Maniaque 6
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            #65
            Originally posted by Velo View Post
            The loss of Tyrell Williams, Melvin Gordon's holdout, and Russell Okung's status unknown due to illness - these three missing from last year's offense is going to factor in how the pundits rate the offense.
            The problem is that this article has been written somewhere in June.
            Okung and Gordon were there.
            If the Chargers were 8th on offense in June, imagine where they are now!
            It seems absurb to me.

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            • wu-dai clan
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              #66
              Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post



              The anomaly here is Cooper Kupp. He is known to be a big WR who blocks very well. The. LAR offense missed him greatly. They really got favorable matchups with Kupp out there.

              Was it really 11 Personnel ?
              You don't know ball

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              • sonorajim
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                #67
                1st, it's an opinion. 2nd, Ranked how? Total yds? We may be playing from a favorable position frequently. I'll take points for top 5.

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                • richpjr
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Velo View Post
                  The loss of Tyrell Williams, Melvin Gordon's holdout, and Russell Okung's status unknown due to illness - these three missing from last year's offense is going to factor in how the pundits rate the offense.
                  But we have Henry back and likely will improve the interior line with Lamp. Everything changes year to year anyway so it's just a guess at this point anyway.

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                  • Velo
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by richpjr View Post

                    But we have Henry back and likely will improve the interior line with Lamp. Everything changes year to year anyway so it's just a guess at this point anyway.
                    True... the return of Henry probably cancels out the loss of Tyrell Williams. Hopefully Henry returns strong. But when your offense is missing its leading scorer from the previous year and your Pro Bowl left tackle, with no significant additions to the offense in free agency or the draft, it's not hard to understand why some might think the offense it's going to take a step backwards.

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                    • wu-dai clan
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                      #70
                      We are #4 at NFL.com updated 8.13.19.

                      Obviously, they love Lamp, MW, KA, HH, JJ, EK.
                      You don't know ball

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                      • glutton4Bolts
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
                        We are #4 at NFL.com updated 8.13.19.

                        Obviously, they love Lamp, MW, KA, HH, JJ, EK.
                        That is nice... but I have a bit of a hard time believing it w/ this OL.... I hope they will surprise me. I just got done listening to a 15 minute segment on the Chargers from a homer scout/pundit type and even he called the OL horrible w/o Okung. The OL is essential to a quality offense. Our team has all the skill position players on lock... even w/o Gordon in the 1st 5-8 games... but the OL is a big unknown. Really hoping the D is all-world so that we don't have to score a ton to win games.

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                        • wu-dai clan
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                          #72
                          Originally posted by glutton4Bolts View Post

                          That is nice... but I have a bit of a hard time believing it w/ this OL.... I hope they will surprise me. I just got done listening to a 15 minute segment on the Chargers from a homer scout/pundit type and even he called the OL horrible w/o Okung. The OL is essential to a quality offense. Our team has all the skill position players on lock... even w/o Gordon in the 1st 5-8 games... but the OL is a big unknown. Really hoping the D is all-world so that we don't have to score a ton to win games.
                          There is no disagreement here.
                          In August, I tend to promote the idea of developing a functioning Oline.
                          Of course there will be growing pains with this crew.
                          But frankly, I like Trent Scott more than Tevi.
                          We must run and our guys must get out to the second level.
                          Then try to pass block.
                          You don't know ball

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