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  • Fleet 1
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    Senior Bowl observations: Wednesday afternoon report

    January 29, 2025

    Second day! same as the first! Or something like that. Certainly, anyone who hoped to get a better feel for Jalen Milroe and/or Jaxson Dart, ostensibly QBs 3 and 4 in this year’s draft class, in this afternoon’s practice than they did yesterday. Neither threw the ball more than a half dozen times against pressure and neither looked all that comfortable when they did. Milroe, for example, bounced his first throw 10 yards in front of his receiver in 11-on-11 play, held the ball too long on his second which was ultimately intercepted, and then underthrew his third, but ended up with a nice gain downfield when TCU WR Jack Bech was able to come back on the ball and outjump the DB for the catch. What one saw from Milroe was that he can throw darts when he’s able to set his feet, but loses accuracy and velocity when he’s forced off script. Dart, for his part, airmailed his first throw on a routine dump off into the flat and while he did complete a number of other underneath possession receptions, but never attempted anything down field. That said, we want to caution about reading too much into what happens at the Senior Bowl. Just for reference, for example, we went back and reviewed several reviews from last year’s Senior Bowl in which both Bo Nix and Michael Penix’s performances were panned. Same for Josh Allen back in 2018.

    Speaking of TCU’s Bech he had a really good practice session as in addition to make several receptions including the one noted above, he was also more than willing to get his nose a little dirty helping out with run blocking; and as a bigger receiver, he proved to also be pretty effective. At the same time, Kentucky’s Max Hairston continued to distance himself from the rest of the corners on the American team, although both Upton Stout of Western Kentucky and UCF’s Mac McWilliams likely earned at least a second look from pro scouts. Same for safeties Dante Trader of Maryland and Syracuse’s Justin Barron with their physical play.

    Interesting, the one major difference between the National and American practices today was the fact that whereas the defensive line was able to pretty much dominate in the morning session whereas the opposite was the case this afternoon, although it wasn’t quite a shutout. DEs Kyle Kennard of South Carolina and LSU’s Sa’vion Jones were both able to get some consistent outside pressure, while Mississippi’s Jared Ivey, a 285-pound tweener was able to get upfield when he kicked inside. Kentucky’s Deone Walker also had a better day today than he did yesterday when he struggled to keep his pads down; Walker was particularly impressive in the team drills during which he was almost impossible to move off the line of scrimmage, but was also quick enough to jump into a gap and make a play in the backfield on a couple of reps.

    Meanwhile, as we did this morning with Marshall ER Mike Green, we focused a lot this afternoon on Texas A&M DE Shemar Stewart who is about as hot as anyone in this year’s draft class these days. Stewart, at a lean 6-6, 290, certainly looks the part and has a long, quick first step; indeed, he just blew by LSU OT Emory Jones, who otherwise had a very good day today, for a strip sack; however, otherwise he showed very little in the way of a polished set of pass rush moves and on most plays didn’t do much other than bull rush which may explain the low number of sacks in his career (just 4.5 in three years and never more than 1.5 in any one season.)

    The other thing that was kind of interesting about today’s practice for the American team was that the offensive linemen leading that group weren’t necessarily big name prospects including Jacksonville State C/G Clay Webb, C/G Jackson Slater of Sacramento State, LSU OT Miles Frasier and Cs Jacob Bayer of Arkansas State and North Carolina’s Willie Lampkin. In fact, if there was an OL of the Day award we think it probably should have gone toone of those last two guys. Who knows if and where he is ultimately drafted, but UNC’s Lampkin is arguably the most unusual prospect in Mobile this week in that he’s barely a tad over 5-10 and 270 pounds, but at least today played much bigger.

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    • Formula 21
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      Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
      Let’s win one for Mack.

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      • dmac_bolt
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        Our newest love … holding strong again …
        “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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        • dmac_bolt
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          TJ - too small for ball in the fall or … ?

          “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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          • electricgold
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            Corey Kiner, RB, Cincinnati


            Height: 5’9″
            Weight: 215
            Player Archetype: Burst and Balance

            I implore everyone to sit down and watch Corey Kiner sacrifice his entire body for his QB in pass protection. There are reps of him getting absolutely pulverized in the name of temporarily slowing down 300-pound human beings in the passing game.

            But with the ball in his hands, Kiner displays his own impressive level of violence. He easily runs through arm tackles by reducing his strike zone and blasting by with an impressive burst.

             

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              • North Dakota State tackle thriving on the interior offensive line: Despite playing tackle for the Bison, Grey Zabel impressed with his work in the one-on-one pass drills at guard and center.

              Estimated Reading Time: 5 minutes

              The 2025 Reese's Senior Bowl is one of the most anticipated in years for a number of reasons. There is heavy intrigue on which quarterbacks can separate themselves, the trenches are deep and talented, and of course, the fireworks that can fly in the wide receiver and defensive back battles.

              Here are some early notes on how those players fared on day one of practice.
              QUARTERBACKS STRUGGLE EARLY


              It wasn’t the best start for the quarterback group on day one of Senior Bowl practices. Notre Dame quarterback Riley Leonard stood out because he was more consistent than his peers. He most recently played a college game, but that appeared to be to his advantage. Laurier’s Taylor Elgersma accrued a few nice throws in the WR/DB one-on-one drills.

              However, the two who seemed to have the most intrigue, Alabama’s Jalen Milroe and Ole MissJaxson Dart, struggled in their respective ways. Milroe’s lack of accuracy and ball placement was much the same as what we saw over the last two seasons (and his smaller hand measurements from this week give us more context as to why that might be something he could always struggle with). As for Dart, he had multiple fumbles during his first practices, mostly coming from under center, something he rarely did in college with just nine snaps under center out of 943 total snaps over the last two years.

              Hopefully, both can bounce back on Wednesday.
              GREY ZABEL LOOKS LIKE THE TOP INTERIOR OL IN THE DRAFT


              There is a lot of talent in the trenches at the Senior Bowl, but there was still a lot to sort out. North Dakota State’s Grey Zabel was a big-time early winner in the group. After playing right and left tackle the last two seasons for the Bison, he was used mostly as an interior offensive lineman on Day 1 of Senior Bowl practices.

              Playing at right guard, left guard and center, he was a consistent winner in the one-on-ones and in the team drills. His footwork, core strength and grip strength were all NFL caliber. He has the skills and versatility to be the top interior offensive linemen in the entire class.
              ELIJAH ARROYO MAKING HIS CASE FOR TE3


              Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland are seen as the top two tight ends in the 2025 class, but there are questions about who will be TE3. Miami's Elijah Arroyo made a very strong case for that title on Day 1 of Senior Bowl practices.

              He was an early winner from the weigh-ins, coming in at 6-foot-4 and 251 pounds, bigger than his listed height and weight at Miami. Then, he showcased very good all-around movement skills in the slot, coming from inline and even on the outside. He had just one season of true production (2024) due to a knee injury he suffered in 2022 and was still getting back to form in 2023. This past year, he recorded career highs in every category and looked like a future NFL receiving tight end. He continued to look the part in Mobile.
              T.J. SANDERS HEADLINING A TALENTED DEFENSIVE LINE GROUP


              There are a ton of talented interior defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl this year. Walter Nolen, Shemar Stewart, Deone Walker, Omarr Nolan-Lott — the list goes on. Yet, South Carolina‘s T.J. Sanders looked like the best of the bunch on Day 1.

              He’s a smaller, quicker interior defensive lineman who wins with a good first step, quick hands and an ability to shoot into the backfield, earning an 87.3 pass-rush grade on true pass sets over the last two years. He was certainly able to show some of that, but he also had a great rep where he won with a strong bull rush converting that speed into power. That’s what the NFL wants to see from him, especially weighing in at just 284 pounds. It looks like we’re getting a handful of defensive linemen in the first round this year. Sanders is showing why he could be one of them.



              JACK BECH PLAY OF THE DAY


              TCU wide receiver Jack Bech is a fan favorite in the 2025 receiver class. The former LSU Tiger recorded over 1,000 yards this past season with an 84.0 receiving grade. However, his movement skills are the most impressive.

              He’s a smooth-moving 6-foot-1 and 212 pounds, and he is one of the better separators in the class. Tuesday, he had the play of the day, gaining separation on a deep crossing route then climbing the ladder, turning his body in mid-air to come down with an eye-popping catch. Reliable hands, great coordination and creating those throwing windows will continue to make his stock rise.


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              • Chargers8491
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                Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post
                how about that mike green from Marshall? that guy looks like he might've worked his way into the top ten...
                I've been high on Green. I thought he was a little light @ ED for the Chargers but he is heavier than what was first thought. He should be in a cluster @ 22, but he likely will be gone by then.
                Time to put my money where my mouth is: Hampton will be better than Jeanty!

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                  Originally posted by Rugger05 View Post
                  • North Dakota State tackle thriving on the interior offensive line: Despite playing tackle for the Bison, Grey Zabel impressed with his work in the one-on-one pass drills at guard and center.

                  Estimated Reading Time: 5 minutes

                  The 2025 Reese's Senior Bowl is one of the most anticipated in years for a number of reasons. There is heavy intrigue on which quarterbacks can separate themselves, the trenches are deep and talented, and of course, the fireworks that can fly in the wide receiver and defensive back battles.

                  Here are some early notes on how those players fared on day one of practice.
                  QUARTERBACKS STRUGGLE EARLY


                  It wasn’t the best start for the quarterback group on day one of Senior Bowl practices. Notre Dame quarterback Riley Leonard stood out because he was more consistent than his peers. He most recently played a college game, but that appeared to be to his advantage. Laurier’s Taylor Elgersma accrued a few nice throws in the WR/DB one-on-one drills.

                  However, the two who seemed to have the most intrigue, Alabama’s Jalen Milroe and Ole MissJaxson Dart, struggled in their respective ways. Milroe’s lack of accuracy and ball placement was much the same as what we saw over the last two seasons (and his smaller hand measurements from this week give us more context as to why that might be something he could always struggle with). As for Dart, he had multiple fumbles during his first practices, mostly coming from under center, something he rarely did in college with just nine snaps under center out of 943 total snaps over the last two years.

                  Hopefully, both can bounce back on Wednesday.
                  GREY ZABEL LOOKS LIKE THE TOP INTERIOR OL IN THE DRAFT


                  There is a lot of talent in the trenches at the Senior Bowl, but there was still a lot to sort out. North Dakota State’s Grey Zabel was a big-time early winner in the group. After playing right and left tackle the last two seasons for the Bison, he was used mostly as an interior offensive lineman on Day 1 of Senior Bowl practices.

                  Playing at right guard, left guard and center, he was a consistent winner in the one-on-ones and in the team drills. His footwork, core strength and grip strength were all NFL caliber. He has the skills and versatility to be the top interior offensive linemen in the entire class.
                  ELIJAH ARROYO MAKING HIS CASE FOR TE3


                  Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland are seen as the top two tight ends in the 2025 class, but there are questions about who will be TE3. Miami's Elijah Arroyo made a very strong case for that title on Day 1 of Senior Bowl practices.

                  He was an early winner from the weigh-ins, coming in at 6-foot-4 and 251 pounds, bigger than his listed height and weight at Miami. Then, he showcased very good all-around movement skills in the slot, coming from inline and even on the outside. He had just one season of true production (2024) due to a knee injury he suffered in 2022 and was still getting back to form in 2023. This past year, he recorded career highs in every category and looked like a future NFL receiving tight end. He continued to look the part in Mobile.
                  T.J. SANDERS HEADLINING A TALENTED DEFENSIVE LINE GROUP


                  There are a ton of talented interior defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl this year. Walter Nolen, Shemar Stewart, Deone Walker, Omarr Nolan-Lott — the list goes on. Yet, South Carolina‘s T.J. Sanders looked like the best of the bunch on Day 1.

                  He’s a smaller, quicker interior defensive lineman who wins with a good first step, quick hands and an ability to shoot into the backfield, earning an 87.3 pass-rush grade on true pass sets over the last two years. He was certainly able to show some of that, but he also had a great rep where he won with a strong bull rush converting that speed into power. That’s what the NFL wants to see from him, especially weighing in at just 284 pounds. It looks like we’re getting a handful of defensive linemen in the first round this year. Sanders is showing why he could be one of them.



                  JACK BECH PLAY OF THE DAY


                  TCU wide receiver Jack Bech is a fan favorite in the 2025 receiver class. The former LSU Tiger recorded over 1,000 yards this past season with an 84.0 receiving grade. However, his movement skills are the most impressive.

                  He’s a smooth-moving 6-foot-1 and 212 pounds, and he is one of the better separators in the class. Tuesday, he had the play of the day, gaining separation on a deep crossing route then climbing the ladder, turning his body in mid-air to come down with an eye-popping catch. Reliable hands, great coordination and creating those throwing windows will continue to make his stock rise.

                  Bech would be a great 2nd or 3rd rnd pick. Wouldn't be upset if they took him in the 2nd or traded up in the 3rd to get him.
                  Time to put my money where my mouth is: Hampton will be better than Jeanty!

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                  • DerwinBosa
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                    Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

                    What I'm saying is unless there's a blue chip Guard at 22 why take a chance when there are greater chances of success with other players usually taken at pick #22. Deep draft in RBs and DEs that we need and I would say I'd draft Emeka if he's still on the board over any guard we might procure at pick #22. If your serious about taking a guard then we are much better off moving down in the draft if we can procure two number 2s or One High 2nd and a high third rounder as well. Right now we have 3 first rounders on our oline. How's that working for team balance when our offence sucked with inconsistent play elsewhere?
                    While I agree that there doesn't seem to be a blue chip guard in this draft, I don't think having three first-rounders on our offensive line has been the problem when it comes to having a lack of playmakers. We used a first-rounder on Quentin Johnston two years ago, and he hasn't lived up to expectations. Our first-rounder from 2017 (Mike Williams) never really lived up to what was expected from a seventh overall pick. Telesco didn't have success with his first-round picks on wide receivers. That was the problem. This doesn't mean I'm against taking a wide receiver in the first round of this draft if Harbaugh and Hortiz believe that prospect is the best player available. I just don't think there's a higher bust rate at guard than there is at any other position.

                    But I do agree that, in this draft, we would be better off trading back into the second round if offensive line is where we want to go with our first pick. I think I actually prefer that route with any position we go in this draft, because I don't believe there are many prospects this year who would be picked in the first round in most drafts. My realistic guy is Jalon Walker, a pass-rusher. Once he's gone I'll be rooting for a trade back.

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                    • DerwinBosa
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                      Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post

                      Bech would be a great 2nd or 3rd rnd pick. Wouldn't be upset if they took him in the 2nd or traded up in the 3rd to get him.
                      He seems like one of those players who gets drafted in the second or third round and ends up being more productive than most of the receivers who went before him.

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                        Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post

                        He seems like one of those players who gets drafted in the second or third round and ends up being more productive than most of the receivers who went before him.
                        He's got really good hands, and he is a jump ball kind of WR. I think he could potentially be the X on the outside the Chargers are missing.
                        Time to put my money where my mouth is: Hampton will be better than Jeanty!

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                          Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post

                          I've been high on Green. I thought he was a little light @ ED for the Chargers but he is heavier than what was first thought. He should be in a cluster @ 22, but he likely will be gone by then.
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