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  • Topcat
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    Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post
    Report: Chargers sign seventh-round pick Cortez Broughton

    Posted by Curtis Crabtree on May 10, 2019, 2:15 AM EDT
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    The Los Angeles Chargers have signed seventh-round pick Cortez Broughton to his four-year rookie contract, per Adam Caplan of Sirius XM NFL Radio.

    Broughton was the last of the Chargers' seven selections in the draft and is the first of the group to sign with the team. All drafted players receive four-year deals with first-round picks getting a fifth-year team option attached.

    Broughton appeared in 48 games for the University of Cincinnati over four seasons with the team. During his senior year, he compiled career-highs across the board in tackles (52), tackles for loss (18.5), sacks (7.5), forced fumbles (two) and passes defended (five).
    Good news. No holdouts, please...

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  • like54ninjas
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    Report: Chargers sign seventh-round pick Cortez Broughton

    Posted by Curtis Crabtree on May 10, 2019, 2:15 AM EDT
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    The Los Angeles Chargers have signed seventh-round pick Cortez Broughton to his four-year rookie contract, per Adam Caplan of Sirius XM NFL Radio.

    Broughton was the last of the Chargers' seven selections in the draft and is the first of the group to sign with the team. All drafted players receive four-year deals with first-round picks getting a fifth-year team option attached.

    Broughton appeared in 48 games for the University of Cincinnati over four seasons with the team. During his senior year, he compiled career-highs across the board in tackles (52), tackles for loss (18.5), sacks (7.5), forced fumbles (two) and passes defended (five).

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  • richpjr
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    Daniel Jeremiah's comments about our draft picks:

    There's absolutely no one better suited to break down the Chargers' draftees than Jeremiah, which is why we called him to get the low-down on this year's group of picks.

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  • sonorajim
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    Originally posted by Heatmiser View Post
    I am still looking for something that Fazande was good for. I got nothing. It was the end of the Betheard era.

    Marcus Allen was an awesome short yardage runner who looking at him you would never think he could do it. Tall, skinny, ran upright. But had a knack.

    TG
    I suspect that we have to mix it up for short yardage. Run some different plays.
    That said, I loved Marty's 40 power- LT carrying, Dielman blocking down, Goff pulling but ya have to have the personnel. I'm looking for a pulling guard. Lamp?

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  • Heatmiser
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    I am still looking for something that Fazande was good for. I got nothing. It was the end of the Betheard era.

    Marcus Allen was an awesome short yardage runner who looking at him you would never think he could do it. Tall, skinny, ran upright. But had a knack.

    TG

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  • sonorajim
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    Originally posted by Topcat View Post

    Sure hope not...can't stand it when we send MG3 up the gut for nada...repeatedly...
    Runs up the gut for nothing = bad. Runs up the gut for 1st downs = great. I was thinking of Norv's majority of slow developing deep pass routes, high % sacks v completions.

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  • Topcat
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    Originally posted by Steve View Post

    I don't think he would be a very good goalline or short-yardage runner. He has size, but that only counts for anything if he can get going and hit the hole hard and fast (really the same thing). Again you watch him, he tends to cut and lose speed when he is coming up on contact, and that is the WRONG thing to do almost 100% of the time unless you can juke like Barry Sanders.

    I think most of why MG3 gets stopped between the tackles is that he needs to be allowed to get going, and he can't because we allow so much penetration. MG3 is a very good goalline and short yardage guy, but the inconsistency is from the OL. That isn't going to stop happening because we get a bigger back. If the guy can't accelerate adn get to the hole, it will happen more, not less, regardless of the player size.

    Remember Jermaine Fazande. He is a pretty good example of a big back who was a shitty short yardage and goalline guy.
    So Steve, what you're saying in essence, to use a physics analogy, is that in a short yardage situation, as long as we get decent blocking, inertia is more important than mass...

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  • Steve
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    Originally posted by Topcat View Post

    On the other hand, if the Bolts use Cox mainly on 3rd downs and/or goal line situations between the tackles, I think he has the potential to grind out the tough yards. In watching that tape, I noticed that after being contacted, he keeps those legs chugging and keeps going forward, getting that vital extra yard or two or three. How many times have we seen MG3 get stopped for nada between the tackles? Cox might be our big, bruising back we've been looking for...
    I don't think he would be a very good goalline or short-yardage runner. He has size, but that only counts for anything if he can get going and hit the hole hard and fast (really the same thing). Again you watch him, he tends to cut and lose speed when he is coming up on contact, and that is the WRONG thing to do almost 100% of the time unless you can juke like Barry Sanders.

    I think most of why MG3 gets stopped between the tackles is that he needs to be allowed to get going, and he can't because we allow so much penetration. MG3 is a very good goalline and short yardage guy, but the inconsistency is from the OL. That isn't going to stop happening because we get a bigger back. If the guy can't accelerate adn get to the hole, it will happen more, not less, regardless of the player size.

    Remember Jermaine Fazande. He is a pretty good example of a big back who was a shitty short yardage and goalline guy.

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  • Topcat
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    Originally posted by richpjr View Post

    And yet we were 6th in the NFL in scoring and 11th in total yards, so it's not like the offense was a total disaster. If we can improvement in our guard play and Tevi continues to progress as they seem to think he will, our O will just get better.
    Against MOST teams, our offense was fine. But, I'm thinking about how to beat the Cheatriots...vs. the Cheats, we need to have a whole new level of play design, involving fakes, motion, misdirection, new formations, trickery...Belicheat & Co. are just too smart at coaching up their players to recognize our tired old set of plays...

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  • sonorajim
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    Originally posted by richpjr View Post

    And yet we were 6th in the NFL in scoring and 11th in total yards, so it's not like the offense was a total disaster. If we can improvement in our guard play and Tevi continues to progress as they seem to think he will, our O will just get better.
    Tevi was a huge and immediate improvement on Barksdale's run blocking, somewhat better v pass rush....and he's getting better, albeit inconsistently. Feeney? I thought he was a better player than he showed in 2018. He definitely needs to show improvement to avoid becoming a backup. There are 7 OG/C in camp not named Pouncey, Schofield or Feeney along with 4 OTs, Pipkins, Scott, Crabtree & Camper behind Okung, Tevi.

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  • richpjr
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    Originally posted by Topcat View Post

    If you're going to send a RB up the gut, at LEAST have the QB under center. That way, it makes the play a lot less predictable. The QB can fake to the FB, then hand it off to the tailback, but the LB's still don't know which side the play is going until the last second. A LOT better chance of success. But this mindless Rivers in the shotgun, then the obvious handoff to MG3 up the gut is SO predictable, SO easy to stack up and defend...I said in an earlier post that Whiz needs to get a lot more creative with different, less predictable formations, motion, misdirection, fakes, etc.
    And yet we were 6th in the NFL in scoring and 11th in total yards, so it's not like the offense was a total disaster. If we can improvement in our guard play and Tevi continues to progress as they seem to think he will, our O will just get better.

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  • Topcat
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    Originally posted by Bolts4ever213 View Post

    As much as we hate that play, remember, someone you need to let the offense hit the defense. Even LT back in the day, ran those plays.
    If you're going to send a RB up the gut, at LEAST have the QB under center. That way, it makes the play a lot less predictable. The QB can fake to the FB, then hand it off to the tailback, but the LB's still don't know which side the play is going until the last second. A LOT better chance of success. But this mindless Rivers in the shotgun, then the obvious handoff to MG3 up the gut is SO predictable, SO easy to stack up and defend...I said in an earlier post that Whiz needs to get a lot more creative with different, less predictable formations, motion, misdirection, fakes, etc.

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