Rank the QB Draft prospects

[C'monchargers]

I want a free agent like Alex Smith for the right money or wait for the next Manning in appx 5 years.

Just tank for Trevor

[ChargingBolts]

I want a free agent like Alex Smith for the right money or wait for the next Manning in appx 5 years.

[C'monchargers]

Plus if his average time to throw is 3.08 second, what do you think he was doing for 3 whole seconds? Running first? Probably reading the progression, right?

[C'monchargers]

While have a second from work let me share this C9ABE1A0-BFF1-43FD-85F9-FB3B5F8C7E37.jpeg The OL definitely struggled more in the Baylor game and lacked consistency, but on average throughout the year he had more time then anybody.

Now that's just bad stats right there. Does it say in what situation is this data collected? Does it include the incident where he scramble and buy time? Because that's a good 4,5,6 seconds there. I am sure this include passes out of pocket because they for sure will specify that, especially if it is from a reputable source.

I thought you don't believe in stats?

[DerekReed98]

Thanks for the detailed post. After watching the offensive line blocking against Baylor I have more respect for Hurts than ever. The fumbling issues are somewhat due to the wild play at the goal lines which hopefully we don't have to do with any pro QB. If anything I think his Height is his biggest problem with passing lanes. I hate to say it but this kid reminds of of Russel Wilson of Seattle. I really had not followed his career hardly at all but was just watching him at the combine. Smoothest release and touch of all the QB's other than Burrows.

While have a second from work let me share this C9ABE1A0-BFF1-43FD-85F9-FB3B5F8C7E37.jpeg The OL definitely struggled more in the Baylor game and lacked consistency, but on average throughout the year he had more time then anybody.

[C'monchargers]

I prefer to watch him to see he doesn't go thru his progressions like he should. Love that he can run be he takes off too much.

In time when Lamar gets whacked and misses time , he will run less.

But that's the college game.

Herbert has NEVER taken snap under center..... but lately rarely has Rivers for whatever reason. .....besides our OL isn't good

It is a system thing for him to run.

Speaking of Rivers, he play much less under center is because the blocking would not allow that to work. When you read in the spread you do a lot of pre snap read and the ball should be out very quickly. I mean Rivers can play in that offense no problem but imo that is counter intuitive. Philip Rivers plays under the center since he was in NCSU and is known to be able to take the ball from under center and throw it in 1.5 second. In pro offense, most of the reads is done after the ball is snap not presnap. Therefore, defense has to force to react on the go and have less time to figure out what is going on until it happens. In spread, defense can get away with only focusing on positioning themselves and go (Like the heavy Nickle package we use). It can be quite different in how to process the progression when you compare the two. My point is, so why make him run a spread offense which can be more predictable to defense when he can read just as fast and throw just as quick in an offense that inherently has more of a disguise. Because he ain't got time to even drop 5 steps and let the route develop. So either get a new QB or get a solid line, well it's expensive to buy an offensive line.

[C'monchargers]

Thanks for the detailed post. After watching the offensive line blocking against Baylor I have more respect for Hurts than ever. The fumbling issues are somewhat due to the wild play at the goal lines which hopefully we don't have to do with any pro QB. If anything I think his Height is his biggest problem with passing lanes. I hate to say it but this kid reminds of of Russel Wilson of Seattle. I really had not followed his career hardly at all but was just watching him at the combine. Smoothest release and touch of all the QB's other than Burrows.

Thanks for the kudo. I think when Jalen Hurts said,"I am going to bring a Championship to OU" tells you, he is ready to go all out hero ball. Like that goaline fumble in the Baylor game, that one was almost the digger to the comeback, no excuses on that. But then he came back in, keep in composure and play his game, at the end he pull through. Not before a bad snap and he had to pick up and throw away. What a wild game.

He was careless in ball protection as he run, and I say this is because he has 9 3/4 inch hands so he can secure with his hands and he is strong. I am sure that will be reminded first thing in pros.

Since you mention Russell, you can see he routinely roll out as soon as he gets the ball by design. At times they pressure was let pass on purpose as the whole line move along with Russell. He is rolling out to throw around the oline instead of over the top to compensate for his height. I believe his height wouldn't be such a problem in this day and age, when schemes are more friendly to shorter QB nowadays.

One thing I do think is important for mobile QB is having big hands. To hold on to the ball and secure; also the grip to throw off balance, on the run, on the back foot, across the body. Pocket passer might get away with it but for a mobile QB imo is a must. For what its worth, as "short" as they are both Drew Brees and Russell Wilson has 10inch hands.

[Boltjolt]

I prefer to watch him to see he doesn't go thru his progressions like he should. Love that he can run be he takes off too much.

In time when Lamar gets whacked and misses time , he will run less.

But that's the college game.

Herbert has NEVER taken snap under center..... but lately rarely has Rivers for whatever reason. .....besides our OL isn't good

[gzubeck]

You are going to have to back that up. With tapes, facts, or stats whatever.

First off, statistics merely tells you what happen, when did it happen; it's up to whoever it is to use it to figure out, how it happen and why. So to a certain extend, you are right; if the info get into a certain hand it would be useless. If you don't put much thought into connecting the dots, its just dots. But if it gets into some other hands, it can be very useful.

You mention you are from Oklahoma and had been a life long fan, So you must be forgetful in saying this year "They had the best skill position ever" when only 3 long years ago, they had Mark Andrews, Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb on the roster. Second you said this year "he has the most time to throw in college football", how? Their best rank olineman was ranked 76th in Adrian Ealy - rating at 73.4 in all situations. They are 46th in pass-blocking and their highest ranking positional player ranked just 42nd in pass protection. Creed Hunphrey regress big time from 2018. On top of that,Swenson and Ealy both dealt with injury, Ealy was hurt before the game against Texas. In 2017 They had one of the best oline in football with Orlando Brown being a top 5 olineman in NCAA.

For somebody who said stats means nothing, you sure throw out some stats (most time to throw, best skill positions.....)

You said you are a bottom line person, bottom line is he had lost 2 games only as a sooner. Once against Kansas st. which has a even stronger secondary than TCU, and against LSU. So Bottom line he wins.

Which game late in the season he almost lost, like the one against Baylor?? First off, sooners fan,, you should be grateful he beat, Baylor not once but twice for you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5rcbWCgAU&t=949s

This is tape of the 1st Baylor game, which they win with a field goal.

They are dominated at the line of scrimmage on the offensive front early on and often. They can't contain nobody, I hardly call this kind of protection best in the nation. He brought team back from 28-3 to win the game. Granted the defense had held Baylor scoreless in the second half but offense need to score to win right, especially when you are behind 25 points.

I am not going to argue against myself, that;s on you. I am going ahead and tell you what imo he does well.

7:25 - redzone, shot gun formation. Take the snap, check down and read through he progression which is from left to right and find the TE for a TD. Like I said before his 2nd tier target has very high reception to TD ratio and you can see why. They aren't as talented or as polished, so you aren't beating peeps in the distance or with great route running, but you can out quick defense and catch. It is a systemic thing, it's by design to rely on go to in normal passing situation and spread on redzone and close distance situation. In addition, you don't throw a TD to a 3rd, 4th option guy without reading the first 3. Right?? It make sense.

Also, look at how he checks down. Not rush, just going to through it and zip it in the window away from coverage. That is a sustainable play that can be replicate.

10:40 - again, redzone. I don't want to type too much so I will just pick a few plays. He does has pre game snap read. Motion the WR across. Ball snap, wr pull the CB away from the TE and he goes throw his read, WR cover, 2nd read TE open; throw across his body, TD. Again, going through his motion and stay calm and collective from his pre snap count to spread out the defense to looking off the CB and come back to his original target, which he try to free up right from the get go. That's another sustainable play call that can be repeated.

There is one thing that i would agree with you, he does have a fumbling issue and that's need to be adjusted. He almost did not complete the come back. I wouldn't necessarily call it "He almost lost it" because he got to bring them back to almost lose it again in the first place.

Thanks for the detailed post. After watching the offensive line blocking against Baylor I have more respect for Hurts than ever. The fumbling issues are somewhat due to the wild play at the goal lines which hopefully we don't have to do with any pro QB. If anything I think his Height is his biggest problem with passing lanes. I hate to say it but this kid reminds of of Russel Wilson of Seattle. I really had not followed his career hardly at all but was just watching him at the combine. Smoothest release and touch of all the QB's other than Burrows.

[C'monchargers]

Yeah this skill group is definitely deeper then the one they had 3 years ago at every position. I’ll go into detail later as I’m at work right now and there’s a whole bunch of stuff to debunk from what you just said

Whoa

[DerekReed98]

You are going to have to back that up. With tapes, facts, or stats whatever.

First off, statistics merely tells you what happen, when did it happen; it's up to whoever it is to use it to figure out, how it happen and why. So to a certain extend, you are right; if the info get into a certain hand it would be useless. If you don't put much thought into connecting the dots, its just dots. But if it gets into some other hands, it can be very useful.

You mention you are from Oklahoma and had been a life long fan, So you must be forgetful in saying this year "They had the best skill position ever" when only 3 long years ago, they had Mark Andrews, Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb on the roster. Second you said this year "he has the most time to throw in college football", how? Their best rank olineman was ranked 76th in Adrian Ealy - rating at 73.4 in all situations. They are 46th in pass-blocking and their highest ranking positional player ranked just 42nd in pass protection. Creed Hunphrey regress big time from 2018. On top of that,Swenson and Ealy both dealt with injury, Ealy was hurt before the game against Texas. In 2017 They had one of the best oline in football with Orlando Brown being a top 5 olineman in NCAA.

For somebody who said stats means nothing, you sure throw out some stats (most time to throw, best skill positions.....)

You said you are a bottom line person, bottom line is he had lost 2 games only as a sooner. Once against Kansas st. which has a even stronger secondary than TCU, and against LSU. So Bottom line he wins.

Which game late in the season he almost lost, like the one against Baylor?? First off, sooners fan,, you should be grateful he beat, Baylor not once but twice for you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5rcbWCgAU&t=949s

This is tape of the 1st Baylor game, which they win with a field goal.

They are dominated at the line of scrimmage on the offensive front early on and often. They can't contain nobody, I hardly call this kind of protection best in the nation. He brought team back from 28-3 to win the game. Granted the defense had held Baylor scoreless in the second half but offense need to score to win right, especially when you are behind 25 points.

I am not going to argue against myself, that;s on you. I am going ahead and tell you what imo he does well.

7:25 - redzone, shot gun formation. Take the snap, check down and read through he progression which is from left to right and find the TE for a TD. Like I said before his 2nd tier target has very high reception to TD ratio and you can see why. They aren't as talented so you are beating peeps in the distance, but you can out quick defense and catch. It is a systemic thing, it's by design to rely on go to in normal passing situation and spread on redzone and close distance situation. In addition, you don't throw a TD to a 3rd, 4th option guy without reading the first 3. Right?? It make sense.

Also, look at how he checks down. Not rush, just going to through it and zip it in the window away from coverage. That is a sustainable play that can be replicate.

10:40 - again, redzone. I don't want to type too much so I will just pick a few plays. He does has pre game snap read. Motion the WR across. Ball snap, wr pull the CB away from the TE and he goes throw his read, WR cover, 2nd read TE open; throw across his body, TD. Again, going through his motion and stay calm and collective from his pre snap count to spread out the defense to looking off the CB and come back to his original target, which he try to free up right from the get go. That's another sustainable play call that can be repeated.

There is one thing that i would agree with you, he does have a fumbling issue and that's need to be adjusted. He almost did not complete the come back. I wouldn't necessarily call it "He almost lost it" because he got to bring them back to almost lose it again in the first place.

Yeah this skill group is definitely deeper then the one they had 3 years ago at every position. I’ll go into detail later as I’m at work right now and there’s a whole bunch of stuff to debunk from what you just said

[C'monchargers]

I got be honest with you, I’m born and raised in Oklahoma. So naturally I’m a die hard OU fan. What I tell you is the cold truth and that’s that Jalen is exactly what is haters say he is. In the back half of the season he completely handicapped the offense. Jalen is not a natural QB at all. Not that stats even matter in the 1st place, but most his explosive plays come OU WR core being so explosive. Once teams realized he can’t read defenses the offense stopped being its normal self. He really is one read and run. Great guy tho. Should change positions and succeed.

You are going to have to back that up. With tapes, facts, or stats whatever.

First off, statistics merely tells you what happen, when did it happen; it's up to whoever it is to use it to figure out, how it happen and why. So to a certain extend, you are right; if the info get into a certain hand it would be useless. If you don't put much thought into connecting the dots, its just dots. But if it gets into some other hands, it can be very useful.

You mention you are from Oklahoma and had been a life long fan, So you must be forgetful in saying this year "They had the best skill position ever" when only 3 long years ago, they had Mark Andrews, Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb on the roster. Second you said this year "he has the most time to throw in college football", how? Their best rank olineman was ranked 76th in Adrian Ealy - rating at 73.4 in all situations. They are 46th in pass-blocking and their highest ranking positional player ranked just 42nd in pass protection. Creed Hunphrey regress big time from 2018. On top of that,Swenson and Ealy both dealt with injury, Ealy was hurt before the game against Texas. In 2017 They had one of the best oline in football with Orlando Brown being a top 5 olineman in NCAA.

For somebody who said stats means nothing, you sure throw out some stats (most time to throw, best skill positions.....)

You said you are a bottom line person, bottom line is he had lost 2 games only as a sooner. Once against Kansas st. which has a even stronger secondary than TCU, and against LSU. So Bottom line he wins.

Which game late in the season he almost lost, like the one against Baylor?? First off, sooners fan,, you should be grateful he beat, Baylor not once but twice for you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5rcbWCgAU&t=949s

This is tape of the 1st Baylor game, which they win with a field goal.

They are dominated at the line of scrimmage on the offensive front early on and often. They can't contain nobody, I hardly call this kind of protection best in the nation. He brought team back from 28-3 to win the game. Granted the defense had held Baylor scoreless in the second half but offense need to score to win right, especially when you are behind 25 points.

I am not going to argue against myself, that;s on you. I am going ahead and tell you what imo he does well.

7:25 - redzone, shot gun formation. Take the snap, check down and read through he progression which is from left to right and find the TE for a TD. Like I said before his 2nd tier target has very high reception to TD ratio and you can see why. They aren't as talented or as polished, so you aren't beating peeps in the distance or with great route running, but you can out quick defense and catch. It is a systemic thing, it's by design to rely on go to in normal passing situation and spread on redzone and close distance situation. In addition, you don't throw a TD to a 3rd, 4th option guy without reading the first 3. Right?? It make sense.

Also, look at how he checks down. Not rush, just going to through it and zip it in the window away from coverage. That is a sustainable play that can be replicate.

10:40 - again, redzone. I don't want to type too much so I will just pick a few plays. He does his pre game snap read, which is one characteristics of a read option offense compare to how to read from under the center. Anyhow he motions the WR across. Ball snap, wr pull the CB away from the TE and he goes throw his read, WR cover, 2nd read TE open; throw across his body, TD. Again, going through his motion and stay calm and collective from his pre snap count to spread out the defense to looking off the CB and come back to his original target, which he try to free up right from the get go. That's another sustainable play call that can be repeated.

There is one thing that i would agree with you, he does have a fumbling issue and that's need to be adjusted. He almost did not complete the come back. I wouldn't necessarily call it "He almost lost it" because he got to bring them back to almost lose it again in the first place.