Rank the QB Draft prospects

[DerekReed98]

Thanks for the detailed post. After watching the offensive line blocking against Baylor I have more respect for Hurts than ever. The fumbling issues are somewhat due to the wild play at the goal lines which hopefully we don't have to do with any pro QB. If anything I think his Height is his biggest problem with passing lanes. I hate to say it but this kid reminds of of Russel Wilson of Seattle. I really had not followed his career hardly at all but was just watching him at the combine. Smoothest release and touch of all the QB's other than Burrows.

While have a second from work let me share this C9ABE1A0-BFF1-43FD-85F9-FB3B5F8C7E37.jpeg The OL definitely struggled more in the Baylor game and lacked consistency, but on average throughout the year he had more time then anybody.

[C'monchargers]

While have a second from work let me share this C9ABE1A0-BFF1-43FD-85F9-FB3B5F8C7E37.jpeg The OL definitely struggled more in the Baylor game and lacked consistency, but on average throughout the year he had more time then anybody.

Now that's just bad stats right there. Does it say in what situation is this data collected? Does it include the incident where he scramble and buy time? Because that's a good 4,5,6 seconds there. I am sure this include passes out of pocket because they for sure will specify that, especially if it is from a reputable source.

I thought you don't believe in stats?

[C'monchargers]

Plus if his average time to throw is 3.08 second, what do you think he was doing for 3 whole seconds? Running first? Probably reading the progression, right?

[ChargingBolts]

I want a free agent like Alex Smith for the right money or wait for the next Manning in appx 5 years.

[C'monchargers]

I want a free agent like Alex Smith for the right money or wait for the next Manning in appx 5 years.

Just tank for Trevor

[Lone Bolt]

While have a second from work let me share this C9ABE1A0-BFF1-43FD-85F9-FB3B5F8C7E37.jpeg The OL definitely struggled more in the Baylor game and lacked consistency, but on average throughout the year he had more time then anybody.

Skewed stats...Hurts creates a lot of that xtra time IMO. His line wasn't very good, no one disputes that. But Hurts does need some work from the pocket, consistently working through progressions. Lotta nice tools to work with there, however. Wouldn't break my heart to take him later in the draft, even if he isn't my first choice.

[Boltjolt]

I want a free agent like Alex Smith for the right money or wait for the next Manning in appx 5 years.

I'd be surprised if he even plays again. He almost lost his leg and he is 35. That was a bad break and he had a rough time getting it healed. Still haven't heard if it is 100%

[DerekReed98]

You are going to have to back that up. With tapes, facts, or stats whatever.

First off, statistics merely tells you what happen, when did it happen; it's up to whoever it is to use it to figure out, how it happen and why. So to a certain extend, you are right; if the info get into a certain hand it would be useless. If you don't put much thought into connecting the dots, its just dots. But if it gets into some other hands, it can be very useful.

You mention you are from Oklahoma and had been a life long fan, So you must be forgetful in saying this year "They had the best skill position ever" when only 3 long years ago, they had Mark Andrews, Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb on the roster. Second you said this year "he has the most time to throw in college football", how? Their best rank olineman was ranked 76th in Adrian Ealy - rating at 73.4 in all situations. They are 46th in pass-blocking and their highest ranking positional player ranked just 42nd in pass protection. Creed Hunphrey regress big time from 2018. On top of that,Swenson and Ealy both dealt with injury, Ealy was hurt before the game against Texas. In 2017 They had one of the best oline in football with Orlando Brown being a top 5 olineman in NCAA.

For somebody who said stats means nothing, you sure throw out some stats (most time to throw, best skill positions.....)

You said you are a bottom line person, bottom line is he had lost 2 games only as a sooner. Once against Kansas st. which has a even stronger secondary than TCU, and against LSU. So Bottom line he wins.

Which game late in the season he almost lost, like the one against Baylor?? First off, sooners fan,, you should be grateful he beat, Baylor not once but twice for you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5rcbWCgAU&t=949s

This is tape of the 1st Baylor game, which they win with a field goal.

They are dominated at the line of scrimmage on the offensive front early on and often. They can't contain nobody, I hardly call this kind of protection best in the nation. He brought team back from 28-3 to win the game. Granted the defense had held Baylor scoreless in the second half but offense need to score to win right, especially when you are behind 25 points.

I am not going to argue against myself, that;s on you. I am going ahead and tell you what imo he does well.

7:25 - redzone, shot gun formation. Take the snap, check down and read through he progression which is from left to right and find the TE for a TD. Like I said before his 2nd tier target has very high reception to TD ratio and you can see why. They aren't as talented or as polished, so you aren't beating peeps in the distance or with great route running, but you can out quick defense and catch. It is a systemic thing, it's by design to rely on go to in normal passing situation and spread on redzone and close distance situation. In addition, you don't throw a TD to a 3rd, 4th option guy without reading the first 3. Right?? It make sense.

Also, look at how he checks down. Not rush, just going to through it and zip it in the window away from coverage. That is a sustainable play that can be replicate.

10:40 - again, redzone. I don't want to type too much so I will just pick a few plays. He does his pre game snap read, which is one characteristics of a read option offense compare to how to read from under the center. Anyhow he motions the WR across. Ball snap, wr pull the CB away from the TE and he goes throw his read, WR cover, 2nd read TE open; throw across his body, TD. Again, going through his motion and stay calm and collective from his pre snap count to spread out the defense to looking off the CB and come back to his original target, which he try to free up right from the get go. That's another sustainable play call that can be repeated.

There is one thing that i would agree with you, he does have a fumbling issue and that's need to be adjusted. He almost did not complete the come back. I wouldn't necessarily call it "He almost lost it" because he got to bring them back to almost lose it again in the first place.

1. RB’s for 2017 were Rodney Anderson, Trey Sermon, Abdul Adams and Marcelina’s Sutton. Anderson was very good and so was Sermon for a freshmen. Abdul was benched before mid season and had fumble issues transferred out the next year. Sutton was a juco guy the kinda just took for more bodies and was pretty average.
RB’s for 2019 were Kennedy Brooks, Trey Sermon a few years into the program and obviously superior to his freshmen form which we are comparing him too, both very good starting caliber RB’s. Rhamondre Stevenson or known by his nickname of baby Marshawn, the #1 juco RB in the nation, who frankly had a very legitimate argument for being the best RB on the roster. And last but not least TJ Pledger who is in his second year was buried on the depth chart but has already proven himself. EDGE 2019 RB’s

WR of 2017 had no depth Marquise was great no doubt but then it was CeeDee Lamb as a Freshmen who was good by Freshmen standards, but obviously not even on the same PLANET and isn’t even comparable as the 2019 version of CeeDee physically or mentally. And that was pretty much all they had WR wise besides Jeff badet who was just not very good. Mostly all the rest were average at best WR and special teamers.
2019 WR core had Peak CeeDee Lamb who is considered by many to possibly be the best WR ever to come out of OU talent wise even tho he doesn’t have the school records because circumstances. Also I think anyone would agree 2019 CeeDee > any version of marquise brown. Charleston Rambo was the WR2 and is superior to the freshmen version of CeeDee. He was robbed off his breakout year by the lack of passing that occurred once the mid year hit. Proved his deep threat abilities in the beginning of the year and against Bama when Marquise got hurt. Then WR3 was anyone from the three 5 star recruits(Haselwood and Wease are future 1stRd picks btw) to about 3-4 other solid WR. They were about deeper and higher quality in 19. Edge to the 2019 version by a landslide.

The TE ends are debatable because Andrews was the best TE of the decade for OU, but the depth was a freshmen calcterra and new walk on lee Morris who was still learning. The 2019 version had a developed Calcuterra who retired about mid year, lee Morris fresh out of a breakout year, Brayden Willis, and Top freshmen TE Austin stogner. That’s 4 good starters deep again. While truthfully I wouldn’t shy away from saying 2017 was better purely because Andrews, what can’t be denied is the depth was better and the quality was not much worse in 19.

So yeah 2019 was considerably better and deeper from a skill standpoint, difference was it wasn’t run by baker Or Kyler so Riley couldn’t really run his offense. As you are probably not a OU fan I can understand you not having deep knowledge of the previous and current rosters. But should probably do research before coming at people calling them forgetful and acting snarky/sarcastic. On to the next

2. May want to recheck the entire body of work. Sure the offensive line was not as good as last several years as it lacked consistency, but it was still a very good offensive line. Look at my other post. It has a graph showing top 5 with time and would you lookin there gues who’s first. It’s a fact that he had a lot of time to throw. Top among draft eligible QBs at least.

3. Obviously the difference between a stat that’s vague such as the example I used earlier about the QB throwing a 50 yard TD pass where anything on the play could have happened to achieve said stat and the amount of time a QB has to throw which should be pretty self explanatory as the QB either had good enough blocking to either stay in the pocket or roll out to one side and find a WR.
One kind of provides its own details the other needs further looking into. Also did you just say Me saying the WR core was really good is a stat? In what way is that a stat, it’s literally just player personal. Names on a sheet has nothing to do with numbers, which is what stats are.

Also I didn’t say stats meant nothing. I was saying they don’t mean much for QB’s which is why I gave the example in my other post specifically using a QB. Not to mention I even said especially for QB’s. To much factors involved for QB’s and they require more detail then any other position.

4. I’m just gonna pretend you didn’t say that Kansas state had a better secondary then TCU. TCU who had the 2 highest grades safeties in the big 12 and Jeff Gladney Who led the big 12 in pass breakups? TCU literally WRECKED Jalen btw. Again may want to check that one.

5. I should be grateful for Jalen for winning against Baylor?! That is a wild take. Let’s go through this shall we? A very stupid int he threw that set Baylor up deep in OU territory. That’s 7 points. What about the fumble where he just dropped the ball once again in OU’s territory? That led to another 7 now we are at 14. This time he fumbles as he’s going into the end zone causing another 7 points in the negative. That’s 21 points he’s responsible for in a negative way and OU won by 3, but even tho the defense, who despite being put into bad spots by Jalen himself, shut them down completely in the 2nd half AND sealed the game or the kicker who was responsible for the clutch 3 points himself. No no it’s JALEN I should be thanking for the win?! Come on now.

As for the film you can literally pick out good plays from anyone as everyone has some good plays. Cherry picking doesn’t do any good. Naturally I can go cherry pick the bad ones(there’s a lot more of those), but there’s not much point in that.
But it’s a fact that scouts, OU insiders, coaches from other teams and former OU players all looked down on Jalens QB ability. I can show several posts from the players themselves if need be. He’s a fantastic guy no doubt nobody denies that and he really has a solid arm, but he has had a lot of opportunities and he’s just not developing much mentally.

okay I’m tired of typing nice talking to you

[DerekReed98]

Now that's just bad stats right there. Does it say in what situation is this data collected? Does it include the incident where he scramble and buy time? Because that's a good 4,5,6 seconds there. I am sure this include passes out of pocket because they for sure will specify that, especially if it is from a reputable source.

I thought you don't believe in stats?

88C1F6D2-CD3B-4052-8BEF-0BFC0622C0F4.jpegSeems like they consider quite a bit
Also not sure why you are obsessed with me making a post about stats not meaning much when it comes to evaluating QB’s. I mean I literally said “Especially QB’s”, the post is about QB’s and everyone was talking about QB’s. It was clearly about needing to take a look at how the stats happened because of the lack of detail that basic stats provide for QB’s hence why I used a QB as a example. I really shouldn’t have to spell that out for you. Never once did I say stats are all terrible and can’t be used in general. There’s very useful stats out there that explain themselves such as broken tackles, YAC etc.

[DerekReed98]

Skewed stats...Hurts creates a lot of that xtra time IMO. His line wasn't very good, no one disputes that. But Hurts does need some work from the pocket, consistently working through progressions. Lotta nice tools to work with there, however. Wouldn't break my heart to take him later in the draft, even if he isn't my first choice.

4655BFC0-2A83-41B2-913F-638E415F4574.jpeg They take all that into consideration. Not skewed at all. Seems a false narrative about OU’s OL has been created from a few games without anybody checking the entire body of work. Don’t get me wrong they weren’t as good as the previous 2 years, but not really bad at all.

[DerekReed98]

Plus if his average time to throw is 3.08 second, what do you think he was doing for 3 whole seconds? Running first? Probably reading the progression, right?

It seems you don’t understand people’s Problem with hurts. You don’t get points for trying to go through your reads. Majority of QB’s will at least attempt too. They may be trying to go through his reads, but is he finding the right guy? Are they late on the reads? Stick to long on certain parts of the progression? Doesn’t stick long enough? Do they make the right reads? When they see the right reads do they consistently pull the trigger or do they hesitate? Hurts struggles with consistency in all those and that’s what everyone’s problem with him is. Now he does have good stretches where he’s pretty clean, but to often then not it’s a struggle. And other coaches took advantage of that. Hell Mike Gundy went as far as to call hurts a wishbone QB and Gundy is a very good coach.

[DerekReed98]

I'd be surprised if he even plays again. He almost lost his leg and he is 35. That was a bad break and he had a rough time getting it healed. Still haven't heard if it is 100%

Yeah at that point it’s probably better on his health to retire. He’s made plenty of money.