Seven Round Mock

[Critty]

True.

What I see is 16 first rounders vs 19 other rounders with solid NFL careers so far through Mahomes draft year.

What does Reid know?
He always gets the most out of his QBs.
Why did no team go get Bienemy?

[like54ninjas]

What does Reid know?
He always gets the most out of his QBs.
Why did no team go get Bienemy?

Excellent questions. I have neither answer.

[powderblueboy]

From 1990-2020

About half

These guys won 15 of the 30.
Simms 1
Aikman 3
Young 1 (1st rd supplemental draft)
Elway 2
Dilfer 1
P.Manning 2
E.Manning 2
Big Ben 2 (#11 overall)
Mahomes 1

Flacco was pick #18
Rodgers pick #24

And between the 2 teams there was usually a QB who was a high rd 1 pick
Even if it was on the losing side.
McNabb
Kelly
McNair
Bledsoe
Collins
Ryan
P.Manning
Goff

I think only these 5 Superbowls in past 30 years didnt have a 1st rd QB.

Johnson vs Gannon
Brady vs Warner
Brady vs Wilson
Brady vs Foles
Brady vs Delhomme

Brady is an anamoly.

Take away Brady and only 1 Superbowl in 30 years did not have a 1st rd QB on one sideline.

So I would say you have much better odds of getting to and winning the Superbowl with a QB that was a 1st rd pick.

If your idea of getting to the Super Bowl is to be lead by someone like Jake Delhomme - with a very strong supporting cast.....then you're probably
barking up the wrong tree.

[beachcomber]

I don't think there is anything to suggest that these players are unhappy to be Chargers. The days of playing in a soccer stadium are over. Players will get paid what the market sets. As long as Chargers offer fair market value, they should be able to retain their own (as is their philosophy). Ravens have $12 million less cap space and Lamar Jackson on a rookie contract. Pats rarely over-pay for FA's and have $22 million less cap space.

The Chargers have shed PR's contract, will be moving toward a run-1st offense, and should surround their QB's with talent. They are not in a position to shed DE's as they have no depth behind Joey and Mel. That may change if they draft a DE. But after Chase Young, the DE position is fairly weak in this year's draft.

And please... no Cam Newton! Commit to your head coach's vision... build your team to run the ball, play solid defense, and develop a QB that takes care of the ball.

has Bosa shown he can carry a team (did JJ Watt ever carry his team much past .500) ??

where do you spend your monies ?? how successful would Telesco's offseason be if he was paying PR $25m ??

and you don't like Rochell, and don't think we'll have luck @LEO in any of the upcoming drafts ?? (Jerry Attaochu

and do we not make anything of Keenan's cryptic tweets.... is not something up w/the benching of Perryman, Teamer, and Desmond.... what happened there ??

and re: Anthony Ray's vision.... how did things work out w/the overhauling of the line w/run first blocking Olinemen ??

[beachcomber]

The follow up question is of course how many QBs were taken top 10 and/or first round over those same 30 years.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/ranking-the-55-quarterbacks-taken-in-the-first-round-since-start-of-bcs-era-01dxkd5myf1c

Above are the 55 taken just since the BCS era.

so basically what is being proffered is that if you are seeking a Super Bowl caliber QB vs. just a solid/starting caliber QB, your odds go from 50/50 to about twentysomething percent ??

Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Eason, Fromm, Hurts, Anthony Gordon ??

Murray, Daniel Jones, Haskins, Lock, Will Grier, Finley, Stidham, Stick....

[like54ninjas]

so basically what is being proffered is that if you are seeking a Super Bowl caliber QB vs. just a solid/starting caliber QB, your odds go from 50/50 to about twentysomething percent ??

Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Eason, Fromm, Hurts, Anthony Gordon ??

Murray, Daniel Jones, Haskins, Lock, Will Grier, Finley, Stidham, Stick....

I’m saying unless the QB prospect is your guy 100%, why waste the high draft capital.

[beachcomber]

I’m saying unless the QB prospect is your guy 100%, why waste the high draft capital.

couldn't agree more....

[Boltnut]

has Bosa shown he can carry a team (did JJ Watt ever carry his team much past .500) ??

where do you spend your monies ?? how successful would Telesco's offseason be if he was paying PR $25m ??

and you don't like Rochell, and don't think we'll have luck @LEO in any of the upcoming drafts ?? (Jerry Attaochu

and do we not make anything of Keenan's cryptic tweets.... is not something up w/the benching of Perryman, Teamer, and Desmond.... what happened there ??

and re: Anthony Ray's vision.... how did things work out w/the overhauling of the line w/run first blocking Olinemen ??

No one player ever carries a team. Football is a team sport. But having an elite pass rusher is always important. Turnovers start here.

You spend money wherever you haven't drafted well. Fill holes, hopefully cheaply, hopefully at positions that don't demand high dollar (QB, DE, OT). Having said that, never draft QB high if you can't defend him (David Carr). Get your OT position squared away before you get your rookie QB with a 1st/2nd round pick (Brees/Rivers).

@LEO. It's inexcusable to have no depth here... especially as MI contract expires at season's end. With so many needs (LT, WILL, WR, RB, TE) it would be hard to draft LEO early... not to mention a weak LEO class, after Chase Young, this year. Either pony up money for MI or draft early next year.

@Perryman. Perryman and Tranquil will be a rotation. Perryman better at run. Tranquil better at pass.
@Desmond. He'll be starting slot. Contract ends next year. Probably replaced by Chris Harris or draft pick next year.
@Teamer. If Teamer is your starter, you probably F'd up somewhere (Adderly/Thornhill).

The OL overhaul started with canning of Pat Meyer. Excellent start. Brought in proven players (Turner/Baluga). Another excellent move. Now finish the damn job! Half way gets you... half way. Teams will pick on Pipkins. Fences with weak links stop no one. It matters none that your RT can now provide 3.5 seconds of protection if your LT is collapsing at 2.2 seconds. AL wants to run. Get the best run-blocking OT in the draft (Thomas). It's very simple.

[Boltjolt]

Why are we suddenly down on Desmond King?

[Boltnut]

BTW... since 2000, there have been 61 QB's taken in the 1st round. Only 5 of them have won a Super Bowl. That's a ratio of 1:12. Of those 61 QB's, 23 have been complete busts. That's a 1:3 ratio. It's 4 times more likely you draft a bust rather than a Super Bowl winning QB. Realize that it's a risk. Also realize that no SB winning QB has ever had a shitty OL. Very few SB winning QB's have had mediocre/poor defenses. It's a team win... plain and simple. Elway never won a SB in his prime. Manning won one with a 56 QB rating. Roethlisberger won one with a 22 QB rating... Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, and Tom Brady weren't even starters at the beginning of the season when they won SB's.

It's team sport. Do we have the team, yet? I would be very hesitant to put a rookie behind an OL with Trey Pipkins @LT.

[Boltnut]

Why are we suddenly down on Desmond King?

Am I down on Desmond King...? Or do I realize that there are better players (Bosa,KA) with expiring contracts...? Who effects your team more, Melvin Ingram or Desmond King...? Who can be replaced easier, Melvin or Desmond...? Which current player replaces them more easily, Isaac Rochelle or Chris Harris Jr...?

[beachcomber]

The OL overhaul started with canning of Pat Meyer. Excellent start. Brought in proven players (Turner/Baluga). Another excellent move. Now finish the damn job! Half way gets you... half way. Teams will pick on Pipkins. Fences with weak links stop no one. It matters none that your RT can now provide 3.5 seconds of protection if your LT is collapsing at 2.2 seconds. AL wants to run. Get the best run-blocking OT in the draft (Thomas). It's very simple.

long-term Oline outlook.... w/a BC draft

LT * Wanogho
LG * Wirfs, Forrest
OC * Ruiz, Qberry
RG * Trai, Tevi
RT * Pips, Saahdiq

the tricky/ballsy part is in getting skill position players on top of that, and of which entails trades.... Joey, Keenan, Mel, and/or HH.

think you could get first rounders in exchange for the both of Joey 'n Allen, and day two pix for the likes of Hunter 'n Mel.

and personally would rather wait the one more year knowing that there will be @least another handful of QBs under valid consideration in next year's draft, and go w/Cam & Tyrod for this bit, and rather than wait the three or four years to figure out that we missed the mark w/the likes of a Tua or Justin.