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  • No amount of writing will ever convince me we will win more games throwing deep to Guyton.

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    • Originally posted by electricgold View Post

      Its not like they have to go deep and this element is what the team is lacking to take them to that next level. Bottom line the Chargers are on track to make the playoffs and we can play with any team and it seems like we are getting better (Everyone knows it). This is exactly what we want at this point. More than anything what I have noticed is it seems like we play down or up to the level of the team we are playing also our best games are when our RB and OL are playing well and the run game is gaining yards.

      In a playoff game the Chargers seem to have the right stuff to beat any team in this league if they play well, that's good enough for me at this point.
      Okay, so how would you suggest we defeat an opposing D which keeps stacking the box to suffocate our ground game and short passes? I suggested mixing in some midrange and long passes to force the safeties and LB's to drop back. What is your adjustment?

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      • Why when I read Top Cat, I always hear Cris Coolinsworth's voice ?

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        • Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

          There are 10 teams that score more than we do and none of them seem to have a better QB/RB/2WR combination than we have. For several reasons, our offense is actually underachieving.

          We are doing some things better than last year, but we are offsetting that in good part by doing some things worse than we did last year.

          I think I have long since been proven right about Johnson and Guyton as we have next to zero deep passing game right now to the point that we are not even attempting any long passes and defenses are squatting on our short routes as plays are being called like the dead armed version of Drew Brees was our QB. And that is with Herbert, a rocket armed QB, playing for us.

          I continue to believe that our offense is capable of being the top scoring offense in the league, but I would settle for top 5 for now.
          None of those 10 teams have a better RB than our 3rd down specialist we are forced to convert into a bell cow? None have a better WR than —- who is our best WR, KA? Even though KA has dropped more passes this year than ever?

          You’re just making shit up. We have the exact same skill players as last year. You were saying Lombardi has better skill players this year. Then when I asked, you switch the statement from LAC 21 > LAC 20 to LAC 21 > 10 other teams or something weirdly vague and non-specific.

          there are 21 teams that score less than us but we have a horrible offense?

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          • Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

            And you keep using your sucky reasons why you think you are right. The offense does have the potentual as you again typed the same things you type in EVERY fucking post. Just because you typed something at length dont mean anything about it being correct. You are far from any type of football coach in any shape or form and are just a stat guy so sorry if i dont buy into your the sky is falling panic attacks.

            When the offense is a well oiled machine and everybody has got it down, it might be top 5. Also improve the shitty right side of the OL. Till then you will keep repeating yourself saying the same shit over and over again and nobody cares.

            Relax dude, its a new system that everybody on the offense is adapting to. It will get even better. We are 4th in PPG at home. 5th in the last 3 games so its getting better as time goes on which is expected.

            Why dont you ever bitch about the defense? We are the only team that has allowed 30 points to Pittsburgh. Cleveland only scored 13 against the Lions but got 42 on us. BTW we scored 47 that day.
            You act like the issues I have spotted are only being expressed by me. Others posters, Chargers writers and national media pundits agree with me.

            Just as one did not need to be a football coach to see the beyond obvious issues Anthony Lynn had, one does not need to be a football coach to comprehend the beyond obvious issues that Lombardi has. We are in the "f*cking duh" category with some of the issues, which is why so many have (finally) recognized the problems.

            Further, nobody said that the sky is falling. As I have noted, Herbert and the others are so good that they are able to overcome Lombardi's incompetence at times.

            This is not our players adjusting to Lombardi's system. This is Lombardi doing a poor job calling plays and misusing our personnel. That creates a drag effect on the offense.

            It is laughable that you call the right side of our OL "shitty" in light of the entire offensive unit. Schofield and Norton are low average players. They are not good, but not awful either. Neither is like Pipkins. So, it seems that we "only" have about 7 legitimate Pro Bowl candidates, including an MVP candidate at the most important position, on our offensive unit. And while not all of them will end up as Pro Bowlers, we have 4 skill position players and 3 OL players that warrant consideration in that respect. The unit is very talented overall.

            And since you keep missing the point, the unit will never be a "well oiled machine" under its current presentation. That is the problem and the entire point of my discussion.

            Finally, I have expressed complaints about the defense on multiple occasions, but that has not been the focus of my discussion in this thread.

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            • Herbert went into the season as Herbatron. He looks like he’ll come out of it as popgun Herbie.
              Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
              2021 Chargers - The Wussies of the West

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              • Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                None of those 10 teams have a better RB than our 3rd down specialist we are forced to convert into a bell cow? None have a better WR than —- who is our best WR, KA? Even though KA has dropped more passes this year than ever?

                You’re just making shit up. We have the exact same skill players as last year. You were saying Lombardi has better skill players this year. Then when I asked, you switch the statement from LAC 21 > LAC 20 to LAC 21 > 10 other teams or something weirdly vague and non-specific.

                there are 21 teams that score less than us but we have a horrible offense?
                None of what you wrote was responsive to what I said or even what I said when you attempted to restate what I had said.

                Look at the group of 4 together (QB/RB/2WR). Now compare that group of 4 (Herbert/Ekeler/Allen/Williams) with the groups of 4 that play for the teams that score more than we do. Please tell me which of those teams has a clearly better group of 4. The answer in my view is none of them.

                Also, I said our offensive unit was more talented overall because our OL is much better. We now have 3 guys with a PFF grade over 80 for Pete's sake. Most of our skill position players are the same, though not exactly the same as you have suggested (Cook versus Henry, for example).

                Finally, who said that I said that we have a horrible offense? I said we are significantly underachieving because of Lombardi and that doing barely better than Anthony Lynn means that Lombardi is doing a bad job. But the offense has some great players and they are going to have some level of success in spite of what Lombardi is doing just like they had some level of success in spite of what Lynn did last year.

                The offensive unit has 7 very above average players, including an MVP candidate at the most important position. So, the offense can be a good and talented unit and make plays because of that talent and yet the OC can be doing a poor job all at the same time.

                This offense is far too loaded to be only the #11 scoring team. And they were not even the #11 scoring team until after last Sunday's high scoring outlier game against an injury depleted opponent.

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                • Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

                  None of what you wrote was responsive to what I said or even what I said when you attempted to restate what I had said.

                  Look at the group of 4 together (QB/RB/2WR). Now compare that group of 4 (Herbert/Ekeler/Allen/Williams) with the groups of 4 that play for the teams that score more than we do. Please tell me which of those teams has a clearly better group of 4. The answer in my view is none of them.

                  Also, I said our offensive unit was more talented overall because our OL is much better. We now have 3 guys with a PFF grade over 80 for Pete's sake. Most of our skill position players are the same, though not exactly the same as you have suggested (Cook versus Henry, for example).

                  Finally, who said that I said that we have a horrible offense? I said we are significantly underachieving because of Lombardi and that doing barely better than Anthony Lynn means that Lombardi is doing a bad job. But the offense has some great players and they are going to have some level of success in spite of what Lombardi is doing just like they had some level of success in spite of what Lynn did last year.

                  The offensive unit has 7 very above average players, including an MVP candidate at the most important position. So, the offense can be a good and talented unit and make plays because of that talent and yet the OC can be doing a poor job all at the same time.

                  This offense is far too loaded to be only the #11 scoring team. And they were not even the #11 scoring team until after last Sunday's high scoring outlier game against an injury depleted opponent.
                  Ok, bro. You complain so much, one has to assume you think we have a horrible offense. You said the offensive talent is much better this year and yes you commented beyond just OL.
                  I don’t believe Eke/Allen/Williams are the best 3some in the league by any stretch and I have no idea why you cut it short of TE, which is such a critical role in modern football except because we don’t have one of the top TEs?

                  - Eke is #14 in rushing yards
                  - KA is #8 in receiving yards
                  - MDub is #18 in receiving yards

                  We get your view, we heard you. Over and over. And over. All of your blah blah blah is just …

                  the dude your opinion GIF

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                  • Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                    None of those 10 teams have a better RB than our 3rd down specialist we are forced to convert into a bell cow? None have a better WR than —- who is our best WR, KA? Even though KA has dropped more passes this year than ever?

                    You’re just making shit up. We have the exact same skill players as last year. You were saying Lombardi has better skill players this year. Then when I asked, you switch the statement from LAC 21 > LAC 20 to LAC 21 > 10 other teams or something weirdly vague and non-specific.

                    there are 21 teams that score less than us but we have a horrible offense?
                    Actually Henry is a better TE than Cook so it's less than last year.
                    I'd put Tampa Bay #1 with this criteria and throw in Antonio Brown, way better.

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                    • Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

                      You act like the issues I have spotted are only being expressed by me. Others posters, Chargers writers and national media pundits agree with me.

                      Just as one did not need to be a football coach to see the beyond obvious issues Anthony Lynn had, one does not need to be a football coach to comprehend the beyond obvious issues that Lombardi has. We are in the "f*cking duh" category with some of the issues, which is why so many have (finally) recognized the problems.

                      Further, nobody said that the sky is falling. As I have noted, Herbert and the others are so good that they are able to overcome Lombardi's incompetence at times.

                      This is not our players adjusting to Lombardi's system. This is Lombardi doing a poor job calling plays and misusing our personnel. That creates a drag effect on the offense.

                      It is laughable that you call the right side of our OL "shitty" in light of the entire offensive unit. Schofield and Norton are low average players. They are not good, but not awful either. Neither is like Pipkins. So, it seems that we "only" have about 7 legitimate Pro Bowl candidates, including an MVP candidate at the most important position, on our offensive unit. And while not all of them will end up as Pro Bowlers, we have 4 skill position players and 3 OL players that warrant consideration in that respect. The unit is very talented overall.

                      And since you keep missing the point, the unit will never be a "well oiled machine" under its current presentation. That is the problem and the entire point of my discussion.

                      Finally, I have expressed complaints about the defense on multiple occasions, but that has not been the focus of my discussion in this thread.
                      Lynn was way beyond bad and you don't need to be a coach to know he wasted timeouts , had no balls to play for a win and was conservative too often.
                      often.
                      Im talking about other things you have said.

                      And yes Schofield and Norton are shitty. I'm not missing the point, I just don't think you have a good one and the only one who repeats the same thing over and over.

                      Maybe that's learned in law school and if you say it enough people will believe you, idk
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                      • Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                        Ok, bro. You complain so much, one has to assume you think we have a horrible offense. You said the offensive talent is much better this year and yes you commented beyond just OL.
                        I don’t believe Eke/Allen/Williams are the best 3some in the league by any stretch and I have no idea why you cut it short of TE, which is such a critical role in modern football except because we don’t have one of the top TEs?

                        - Eke is #14 in rushing yards
                        - KA is #8 in receiving yards
                        - MDub is #18 in receiving yards

                        We get your view, we heard you. Over and over. And over. All of your blah blah blah is just …

                        the dude your opinion GIF
                        I have complained about Lombardi. I think the offensive unit has tons of talent and is underachieving because of Lombardi. I am not really sure how much more clear I can be about that.

                        So, despite my saying that multiple times, you still missed it just like you missed my comments about our offensive unit being more talented this year than last year due to the OL being much more talented.

                        Further, you keep failing to address the assertion that I made about the QB/RB/2WR group in terms of the top scoring teams.

                        Your posts relative to my Lombardi comments are misrepresentations of what I have said and nonresponsive nothingness.

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                        • Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

                          I have complained about Lombardi. I think the offensive unit has tons of talent and is underachieving because of Lombardi. I am not really sure how much more clear I can be about that.

                          So, despite my saying that multiple times, you still missed it just like you missed my comments about our offensive unit being more talented this year than last year due to the OL being much more talented.

                          Further, you keep failing to address the assertion that I made about the QB/RB/2WR group in terms of the top scoring teams.

                          Your posts relative to my Lombardi comments are misrepresentations of what I have said and nonresponsive nothingness.
                          I think ‘tons of talent’ is an overstatement. the OL is underachieving because the entire right side was replaced with bottom rung scrubs. You must be kidding about the OL to assert that 3/5 of an OL is a great OL. It’s absurd.

                          TE we are a downgrade. WR is the same. RB is the same. Add it up and skill positions is a downgrade. There is not one superstar on the offense beyond Herbie. Eke is close but he’s playing the role of bell cow and he is NOT a bell cow. unlike most good teams, we do not have a singie legit starting RB. We have a roster of guys capable of doing their job and helping the team move down and score but you grossly over-assess their stardom in order to lambast Lombardi endlessly.

                          You can have your opinion, you don’t have to keep posting it over and over and over … you’re not convincing anyone.

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