Bolts Interested In Urban Meyer For HC? - Hired by Jaguars

[powderblueboy]

Meyer is the target
Daboll is plan B
Eberflus is plan C
Pederson is the darkhorse

Meyer is Catholic; Daboli is a Telesco childhood acquaintance, Eberrflus is from Indy, and Brian Kelley is the darkhorse

[Caslon]

Just curious, who was the winningest head coach that the Chargers had ever hired, before he got hired on by the organization? I mean, which coach had the best track record before he showed up at the Spanii door?

Bobby Ross? A more interesting question would be not who showed up at the Spanos' door, but which GM had the most success with his coaching hires.
Another Bobby? Bobby Beathard?

"Two years after coaching the Chargers to their only Super Bowl appearance, Ross resigned Friday, unable to settle his philosophical differences with General Manager Bobby Beathard. The assistants also resigned."

Back on topic, it's always iffy how well a successful college coach does as an NFL HC when he had been coaching college kids and not a bunch of extremely highly paid pros, some with big egos. That's as yet an unknown about Meyer.

[Bolt-O]

Just curious, who was the winningest head coach that the Chargers had ever hired, before he got hired on by the organization? I mean, which coach had the best track record before he showed up at the Spanii door?

Only 2 in the Spanos era... Schottenheimer and Bobby Ross. Ross had about a 75% win rate in college and won a national championship, Marty a 61% win rate in the pros, and sucked in the playoffs. Coryell was already the coach when Spanos arrived.

[powderblueboy]

Jimmy Johnson/ Bobby Ross - can't think of any other exclusive college guy who was an unqualified success.

I doubt Urban Myers has the burning drive anymore.

[Caslon]

Pete Carroll? Did he jump into the pros before winning a SB?

[Pointyearedog]

Only 2 in the Spanos era... Schottenheimer and Bobby Ross. Ross had about a 75% win rate in college and won a national championship, Marty a 61% win rate in the pros, and sucked in the playoffs. Coryell was already the coach when Spanos arrived.

I guess my point is this: Only two head coaches came from truly winning programs, so the rest (and that's a lot of 'em) of these hires have been guys that Spanos liked, or maybe they were given the HC job because of the NFL minority hire programs, or because it was cheap to get them. It is not the modus operandi for team Spanos to hire a winner, because they like to hire "project managers." IMHO

[Caslon]

I guess my point is this: Only two head coaches came from truly winning programs, so the rest (and that's a lot of 'em) of these hires have been guys that Spanos liked, or maybe they were given the HC job because of the NFL minority hire programs, or because it was cheap to get them. It is not the modus operandi for team Spanos to hire a winner, because they like to hire "project managers." IMHO

And maybe because the Spanos' are the Spanos'. "Popcorn here...step right up folks...hot buttered popcorn here." Lol.

[Steve]

Urban Meyer was the guy who pioneered the "Spread Option", where teams could go back to their hallowed option running game, while getting the space to run into with the spread formation. He was also not one of these guys who just lined up to spread defenses out, if you didn't cover his receivers he would throw the ball all around till you spread out to stop them.

A lot of early spread teams played 3 or 4 WR just to spread out defenses but then never wanted to throw the ball. So defenses never adjusted and that first wave of spread running teams were not very good.

He is really one of the guys that realized that QB are reading defenses whether they throw or run the option, so why not let them read the D and take what they give you.

All that being said, I am not sure what he brings to an NFL team? I am not against having college coaches in the NFL. It is a big step up in terms of scheming and preparation from college to pro. But college coaches are usually good at recruiting, so getting street FA or vested vets to come in and play for you is usually something they do well. And the best college coaches are also pretty good about trying to develop their own guys, since they are used to that, and that is something everyone has to do in the NFL.

Meyer is not necessarily going to be able to just bring his old offense to the NFL. If he uses that as a starting point, and fleshes it out with some more window dressing and such, maybe. But mostly scheme guys, regardless of whether they are NFL or college guys, fail when they come to a new team in the NFL. It just takes too long to get all the right pieces.

[gzubeck]

Urban Meyer was the guy who pioneered the "Spread Option", where teams could go back to their hallowed option running game, while getting the space to run into with the spread formation. He was also not one of these guys who just lined up to spread defenses out, if you didn't cover his receivers he would throw the ball all around till you spread out to stop them.

A lot of early spread teams played 3 or 4 WR just to spread out defenses but then never wanted to throw the ball. So defenses never adjusted and that first wave of spread running teams were not very good.

He is really one of the guys that realized that QB are reading defenses whether they throw or run the option, so why not let them read the D and take what they give you.

All that being said, I am not sure what he brings to an NFL team? I am not against having college coaches in the NFL. It is a big step up in terms of scheming and preparation from college to pro. But college coaches are usually good at recruiting, so getting street FA or vested vets to come in and play for you is usually something they do well. And the best college coaches are also pretty good about trying to develop their own guys, since they are used to that, and that is something everyone has to do in the NFL.

Meyer is not necessarily going to be able to just bring his old offense to the NFL. If he uses that as a starting point, and fleshes it out with some more window dressing and such, maybe. But mostly scheme guys, regardless of whether they are NFL or college guys, fail when they come to a new team in the NFL. It just takes too long to get all the right pieces.

Meyer is not your average coach. Methinks he could learn the entire charger playbook in a month and by month number two start modifying it. He's no Dum Dum!

:2cents:

[Steve]

I'm not saying he couldn't learn the playbook. But does he want to run our offense (which is pretty much like most other NFL offenses) or does he want to make us a big experiment in bringing the spread option to the NFL? The point is why does he want to be a HC?

Remember the Steve Spurrier disaster with Washington? He insisted on running the same offense he had run in Florida, and it was about 10 years behind the times. He was also not willing to put in the time and effort of an NFL coach, and spent more time on the golf course. And he had no patience for ST and D. He kept insisting that his old FL QB would be fine.

Our offense already has the obligatory RPO's and zone read plays in it. We need them to practice against, and we do run them from time to time. There is nothing I saw in Florida or Ohio state's offense that we don't already have in our playbook. Maybe Meyer can dress them up and disguise them maybe he can't. But Meyer didn't win those national championships because he was a great play caller. BB, Saban and Meyer won championships on the practice field and in the film room. We haven't had even a decent guy in those areas in a while. Our fundamentals are just pretty bad since Marty left and we have only flashed glimpses of improvement since.

If we have such a fucking great talent level on our team, let's focus on driving up and down the field, consistently out performing the other team, and stop worrying about a couple of bad play calls in 2 minute. Sure, we lost the game, but if we have great talent why aren't we dominating? It's because the players we have just flash ability instead of perform up to a consistent standard. That is why we are looking for a new coach. I don't care which guy it is, so everyone should just stop the nonsense about this scheme or that, because it just doesn't matter.

[Caslon]

Meyer is not necessarily going to be able to just bring his old offense to the NFL. If he uses that as a starting point, and fleshes it out with some more window dressing and such, maybe. But mostly scheme guys, regardless of whether they are NFL or college guys, fail when they come to a new team in the NFL. It just takes too long to get all the right pieces.

Pete Carroll (new to coaching the NFL if memory serves) won a SB not long after his success in college football. It didn't take him that long either. Then again, different ownership.

[jamrock]

Jimmy Johnson/ Bobby Ross - can't think of any other exclusive college guy who was an unqualified success.

I doubt Urban Myers has the burning drive anymore.

Bobby Ross was an asst in the NFL before he went back to college