Robert Saleh DC 49ers - 2nd Interview Rebuffed - New Jets Coach

I think we are desperate for news and are dissecting every rumor and reading a lot into it!

That could be, but why does Saleh even get a second interview?

Where is the demonstrated elite offensive mind in a Saleh package? Some are talking about keeping "run the ball with no timeouts and 20+ seconds left" Steichen as being suitable to stay as OC. WTF?!

[richpjr]

I see it as they liked him and he is available for a scond interview, so they got it done. I doubt Daboll would be given the opp by Buffalo to conduct a second interview right now as it's game week Thursday. So they knock Selah off now and I bet they wait on Daboll to be available Monday. Same thing with other contending coaches.

I think we are desperate for news and are dissecting every rumor and reading a lot into it!

Robert Saleh could be a great choice! HE's young, innovate understands the modern game etc. In regards to hiring a O minded coach... If you could keep Shane and Pep as Herbert's core, he seems like a smart enough QB that could do very well with a D minded HC. Again this could be a perfect choice.

For those who are critical of Shane, maybe Robert Saleh would want to hire Jason Garrett to be his OC?

I disagree. Our play calling this season was awful. Steichen must go. Pep can stay as Herbert's coach.

This team will win if and when it takes full advantage of what Herbert has to offer. That requires an offensive mind like Reid or Payton has. That means Daboll.

Desperately needing an offensive mind to maximize Herbert, only we could be giving second interviews to defensive minded head coaching candidates.

Just...all...wrong.

With such a bad offensive line to work with going up against some of the better defensive lines in the league.. and you believe the offense should have been better?? Let me get this straight. Should Herbert have thrown for 40 TDs instead then.. If so, that would have been a serious outlier when compared to other great rookie QBs performances in the past.

A top 10 finish with a rookie QB who did not have a normal off-season, RBs by committee with mostly unproven RBs, the loss of Pouncey, Bulaga, and Turner on a not so deep offensive line to begin with, the loss of MW for stretches of the season, and you are telling me you can not find any positives out of a top 10 offensive ranking? And the thing is, I don’t think you are just trolling..

Did you miss the entire season? How many times did Lynn/Steichen put Herbert in 3rd down and a known passing situation by calling too many early down running running plays? This was the theme of the entire season.

For example, in our last three possessions against the Broncos, after getting into or near scoring position, we called run, run and then pass. All three series were immediately stopped by that run, run sequence--every f***ing time! So, we scored 6 point instead of a potential 21 and lost by 1 point.

In that game, the second game against las Vegas, the Tampa Bay game and the New Orleans game, we were absolutely killing the opponent through the air, but shifted to running on early downs, shut ourselves down, and shifted momentum to our opponent. It was as predictable as a clock is to people not named Anthony Lynn.

Against Miami, we took the ball out of Herbert's hands so we could feature our barely a 4th string NFL RB (Ballage). After the game, Cam Buford specifically pointed out to Lynn that his game plan had the effect of taking the ball out of his most explosive player's (Herbert's) hands. It was as if Buford was speaking Chinese to Lynn. He absolutely could not grasp the concept.

Contrast that with how Daboll's offense was aggressive and broke their foot off in Miami's backside despite throwing 2 INTs, scoring 56 points in the final three quarters of the game even with subs in for the Bills.

How many times in the two minute offense did we begin the drive with one or more running plays only to see ourselves running short on time at the end of the drive as if that could not be foreseen from 10,000 miles away. Two of those drives began with well over 4 minutes on the clock.

All of the above and more is what made Herbert's season so incredible. His coaches completely set him up to fail and he succeeded anyway in spite of their ineptitude.

Now imagine what the offense could be with a head coach/play caller that keeps his foot on the game pedal and that runs what is working until the other team proves that it can stop it. Imagine playing against Tampa Bay or New Orleans and matching those 20+ point first halves with 20+ point second halves. That is why we need to hire Daboll.

[electricgold]

Robert Saleh could be a great choice! HE's young, innovate understands the modern game etc. In regards to hiring a O minded coach... If you could keep Shane and Pep as Herbert's core, he seems like a smart enough QB that could do very well with a D minded HC. Again this could be a perfect choice.

For those who are critical of Shane, maybe Robert Saleh would want to hire Jason Garrett to be his OC?

its weird ppl think they know more than Superbowl winning HC.

Not really. Anyone, including a Super Bowl winning head coach can make mistakes. Sometimes, coaches and NFL personnel executives make decisions that are not obvious that turn out great and those instances truly are ones in which the NFL professional absolutely did know better. However, there are also cases in which fans can easily see that the action taken does not look like a good one and then it turns out not to be a good one as expected by fans.

Clearly, the latter described kind of transaction happened when Carroll agreed to the Clipboard Jesus deal. Most Chargers fans knew as soon as we learned of that trade that we had fleeced Seattle. So here was this great head coach and head of player personnel and yet he was the one that had it wrong and us lowly fans had it right.

I have stated that I think Steichen could be used as an OC in a more early down run heavy scheme as that seems to be what he likes to call or at least did call under Lynn. What does not work for one team's group of players may end up working for another team's players. I do not discount that possibility. I certainly would not call the same plays for the Ravens that I would call for us if I wanted to achieve the best offensive output for those teams.

If I had Russell Wilson, I would not necessarily want to go early down run heavy, but Seattle has been effective with that approach in the past.

But whatever else may be the case, there certainly is no evidence at this point that Steichen is a great play calling mind or a great in game tactician. That stands in stark contrast to a demonstrated strong offensive mind like Daboll.

If Steichen could not figure out that the late goal line calls with 20+ seconds left versus both BUF and ATL had to be passing plays, that tells you all you need to know about Steichen's tactical abilities. That cannot happen once ever at the NFL level, much less twice within a two week period.

Also, neither Steichen nor Lynn could figure out the adverse effect the disproportionate early down run heavy play calling was having on the team's offense even though that effect was fairly obvious, especially when not fixed over multiple games. Any intelligent person paying attention could see it in game after game.

[Bolt4Knob]

Sorry but OC path is the way most of the great franchises and super bowl winners have been built......in SF, GB, NO, DAL, .......

OC path only sucks for Chargers because we make our decisions late and settle for scrubs like Turner or Lynn...... though Lynn coaches like a typical DC..... run run screen pass punt.....

most DC's are extremely conservative and want their offenses to be slow, boring, time chewing, running offenses that do not turn over ball.... they have no idea how to win when they are behind or play a high scoring team so they are forced to score more points........ what you get is martyball which NEVER wins in playoffs against good higher scoring teams that can also stuff the run..... Lynn was like that...... the better Herbert got the more conservative our offense got with Lynn taking over the play calling......

By far the best HC's have been aggressive offensive-minded guys(Gillman, Walsh, Coryell, Gibbs, Davis, Reid, Payton,.....etc...etc)...... only Bellycheat, Shula, and the 3 PIT HC's.... are extremely rare defensive guys who also wanted high scoring aggressive offenses, but only when they had a future HOF type of QB......

Dabol is brilliant offensively and he did it without a stupid boring time-wasting running game...... and started out coaching defense so he, unlike all the others, actually understands both sides of the ball.....

Smith was clueless after his running game was shut down.....his offense requires 150-200 rush yards for his passing offense to work..... bad choice for Chargers

Garrett is the perfect soft yes man just like Turner was...... so we should NEVER hire him!!!!...but unfortunately exactly the kind of guy Spanos likes.......

Its a bad sign Chargers are having 2nd interview with a DC....... likely they will offer him the job, and set our offense back 50 years.....

For the Chargers - based on history - the Head Coach should be Garrett or Daboll. As it seems more experience is better than less experience.

Like you said about Daboll - the Bills offense evolved with the players year over year. I personally think at this point he is a no-brainer but we are dealing with the Spanii so it never easy

[La Costa Boy]

I see it as they liked him and he is available for a scond interview, so they got it done. I doubt Daboll would be given the opp by Buffalo to conduct a second interview right now as it's game week Thursday. So they knock Selah off now and I bet they wait on Daboll to be available Monday. Same thing with other contending coaches.

[richpjr]

HE is a DC.....not an OC........did a great job on defense ..... 49ers offense only worked when they ran all over people...... Chargers do not have that kind of personnel.....

He wasn't in charge of the offense, so what the 49ers did on offense is not really relevant to what he'd want to do here.

[Charge!]

I like this -- second interview. He did a great job with the Niners and I think would bring in a good OC

HE is a DC.....not an OC........did a great job on defense ..... 49ers offense only worked when they ran all over people...... Chargers do not have that kind of personnel.....

[Charge!]

I personally am more on the side of Saleh or Staley than say Brady and Smith as I see Brady or Smith as the classicly dumb Spanos decision. At least Saleh or Staley is from the DC path and not the OC path - which hasn't work. But to your point - again, its the affordable coordinator

Staley and Saleh are good
both are still a distant 2nd behind Daboll - for me - its really not close
in fact, garrett is still probably ahead of staley and saleh for me

Sorry but OC path is the way most of the great franchises and super bowl winners have been built......in SF, GB, NO, DAL, .......

OC path only sucks for Chargers because we make our decisions late and settle for scrubs like Turner or Lynn...... though Lynn coaches like a typical DC..... run run screen pass punt.....

most DC's are extremely conservative and want their offenses to be slow, boring, time chewing, running offenses that do not turn over ball.... they have no idea how to win when they are behind or play a high scoring team so they are forced to score more points........ what you get is martyball which NEVER wins in playoffs against good higher scoring teams that can also stuff the run..... Lynn was like that...... the better Herbert got the more conservative our offense got with Lynn taking over the play calling......

By far the best HC's have been aggressive offensive-minded guys(Gillman, Walsh, Coryell, Gibbs, Davis, Reid, Payton,.....etc...etc)...... only Bellycheat, Shula, and the 3 PIT HC's.... are extremely rare defensive guys who also wanted high scoring aggressive offenses, but only when they had a future HOF type of QB......

Dabol is brilliant offensively and he did it without a stupid boring time-wasting running game...... and started out coaching defense so he, unlike all the others, actually understands both sides of the ball.....

Smith was clueless after his running game was shut down.....his offense requires 150-200 rush yards for his passing offense to work..... bad choice for Chargers

Garrett is the perfect soft yes man just like Turner was...... so we should NEVER hire him!!!!...but unfortunately exactly the kind of guy Spanos likes.......

Its a bad sign Chargers are having 2nd interview with a DC....... likely they will offer him the job, and set our offense back 50 years.....

[Fleet]

The Chargers are expected to have a second interview with 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Salah for the team's head coaching vacancy.


Tracking Saleh's head coaching interviews is literally a full-time job. He's also had two interviews with the Jets, one interview with the Falcons, and one interview with the Eagles. Justin Herbert, coming off one of the best rookie seasons in league history, makes the Chargers job appealing all by himself. It seems Saleh will have his pick of head coaching gigs.