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Over Under on Melvin Ingram Sacks
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Originally posted by Steve View PostOne thing we need to do more of is rotating the pass rushers. Bosa and Ingram both play a lot of snaps. It is hard to be effective rushing the passer in the 4th qtr when you legs are rubber because you have already played almost every snap of the game.
Derwin James has as really good rating per each backfield rush attempt getting a sack, deflection, tackle for loss. Getting him back gives us another option. Also Kenneth Murray. Other than Bosa he's probably got the best pass rushing metrics on the team. There's two guys right there you can leverage in case Bosa/Ingram are winded and the opposing team is running hurry offense.
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Originally posted by AK47 View Post
Derwin James has as really good rating per each backfield rush attempt getting a sack, deflection, tackle for loss. Getting him back gives us another option. Also Kenneth Murray. Other than Bosa he's probably got the best pass rushing metrics on the team. There's two guys right there you can leverage in case Bosa/Ingram are winded and the opposing team is running hurry offense.
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Originally posted by Steve View PostOne thing we need to do more of is rotating the pass rushers. Bosa and Ingram both play a lot of snaps.
I have wondered why the NFL doesn't do more of this.
Bosa looks completely gassed at the end of games.
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Originally posted by PR#1 View Post
You see this alot in NBA games. Alot of your superstars like LeBron and curry will play minimal minutes in the 3rd quarter so they are fresh for the 4th quarter.
I have wondered why the NFL doesn't do more of this.
Bosa looks completely gassed at the end of games.
Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....
"Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh
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Originally posted by PR#1 View Post
You see this alot in NBA games. Alot of your superstars like LeBron and curry will play minimal minutes in the 3rd quarter so they are fresh for the 4th quarter.
I have wondered why the NFL doesn't do more of this.
Bosa looks completely gassed at the end of games.
https://zonecoverage.com/2018/minnes...riots-defense/
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I agree with those that say they will not cut Mel. They don’t have the depth behind Nwosu nor the depth at Interior DL to attack from the DL differently. They have his $$ baked into this year’s cap already, they will role with him and I expect they look for a new edge rusher next draft and let him walk.
As to the O/U - seems like nobody wants to play along with OP’s starting point. I’ll play - he’ll get 8.5 sacks, enough to say he contributes but far short of pro bowl level and forget about AP.“Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”
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Originally posted by dmac_bolt View PostI agree with those that say they will not cut Mel. They don’t have the depth behind Nwosu nor the depth at Interior DL to attack from the DL differently. They have his $$ baked into this year’s cap already, they will role with him and I expect they look for a new edge rusher next draft and let him walk.
As to the O/U - seems like nobody wants to play along with OP’s starting point. I’ll play - he’ll get 8.5 sacks, enough to say he contributes but far short of pro bowl level and forget about AP.
my answer is a lot....and i still wouldnt resign him as he has been inconsistant in that area. 11 would be a career high but i think he does his usual 6-8. Id rather get the comp pick after he signs elsewhere.
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I am not sure why a career year would make any difference as to what contract we offer him. As I and many others routinely mention, sacks and most other metrics are all about context. Look at players like Vic Beasley, lead the league in sacks one year because he was lucky, and then did nothing the rest of his career. It was pure luck, and watching his film you can see it.
Everyone needs to remember, NFL contracts are NOT based on how much a player HAS produced. That is irrelevant.
It is how much a team thinks they WILL produce. Melvin is somewhat older and he is at the age where his production has peaked. if he gets 15 sacks this season, and you don't expect he will ever do it again, would you pay him for that production? Some teams will, but they would be making a mistake. But again, his value is higher than his production because of the role he is used in, and he has value that goes beyond just the stat line.
As far as Melvin, it will all depend on what role he is willing to accept going forward. To me, he is a useful player, but he is not going to get the kind of big money contract he has gotten, and will have to accept a somewhat different role. However, teams that are willing to ruin themselves going forward (read as teams who spend money for UFA), will probably be more than happy to set their franchise back and piss money away on players like Melvin, so if he can get a big money deal, all the power to him.
However, his best bet to see the end of his contract and continue to play on a winning franchise is to take a somewhat reduced role and that means less money.
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Originally posted by Steve View PostI am not sure why a career year would make any difference as to what contract we offer him. As I and many others routinely mention, sacks and most other metrics are all about context. Look at players like Vic Beasley, lead the league in sacks one year because he was lucky, and then did nothing the rest of his career. It was pure luck, and watching his film you can see it.
Everyone needs to remember, NFL contracts are NOT based on how much a player HAS produced. That is irrelevant.
It is how much a team thinks they WILL produce. Melvin is somewhat older and he is at the age where his production has peaked. if he gets 15 sacks this season, and you don't expect he will ever do it again, would you pay him for that production? Some teams will, but they would be making a mistake. But again, his value is higher than his production because of the role he is used in, and he has value that goes beyond just the stat line.
As far as Melvin, it will all depend on what role he is willing to accept going forward. To me, he is a useful player, but he is not going to get the kind of big money contract he has gotten, and will have to accept a somewhat different role. However, teams that are willing to ruin themselves going forward (read as teams who spend money for UFA), will probably be more than happy to set their franchise back and piss money away on players like Melvin, so if he can get a big money deal, all the power to him.
However, his best bet to see the end of his contract and continue to play on a winning franchise is to take a somewhat reduced role and that means less money.Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....
"Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh
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