Future With Lynn?

[jubei]

We have Herbert, Allen, Henry, Williams and Ekeler in the passing attack and we suck at running the ball, currently ranked 29th in YPC, but you would have us go ground and pound against the #15 defense in YPC against instead of using our air attack against the #32 ranked New England defense in yards per pass against, simultaneously negating our strength and their weakness. :facepalm1:

You do get that running the ball shortens the game?! We are the team with the potential for explosiveness on offense, a potential that New England cannot match. New England wants a battle of running games so that they can secure a close win at the end. They are ranked 30th in percentage of passing plays. They are forced to play scared, crappy Anthony Lynn run heavy offensive football because their QB sucks. By contrast, our QB and receivers are awesome. The Anthony Lynn ground and pound special plays right into their hands.

We lost the games against KC, TB, NO and DEN because we went turtle conservative at key momentum changing moments in those games. We lost the game against MIA because we went turtle conservative for the whole game taking the ball out of Herbert's hands. You can call that an opinion, but the fact is that we had specific drives stalled by that approach immediately followed by the other team either gaining or consolidating momentum in their favor. It has happened in game after game and Lynn is utterly oblivious to it.

With our passing attack and our inability to run the ball (despite the presence of the "leader of men into many losses"), we should have the highest percentage of passing plays in the entire NFL and we are not even close to that (currently ranked 20th).

If we were to go unrelentingly pass heavy on early downs, I could see us winning this game by three scores, but I already know that Lynn will not do that and that he will do other things of a piss poor coaching nature to make this a close game despite our team having much better talent than the Patriots.

And 4-16 in one score games since the beginning of the 2019 season tells us that when the game is close, there is an 80% chance that Lynn will do enough to give the game away.

remember when the jets were supposed to be not so good at stopping the run...or was it another team...? we ran and we did crap against them on the ground.

[Critty]

^^^THIS right here^^^ Preach it brah. I'm totally on this train and I'm not being facetious. I also dont believe any credit should be given to lynn for Herbert. After all he doesnt know anything about QB coaching...he's a glorified RB coach who is in over his head as HC, constantly being outcoached by other HCs. Hell the Jets almost came back to win for Buddha's sake! This last game was about THE WORST management of a game I'd EVER seen! It's like he cant think while there is a clock running and has to call time outs just to punt the ball! LOL! and calling TOs...why does he wait so damn long to call a TO and let precious seconds run off the clock when time is of the essence?! I have NO idea what goes on inside his head during games, or if ANYTHING goes on inside there. OK sorry, rant over.

Explain Belicheat needing a FG at the buzzer to beat the same Jets team.

[powderblueboy]

[QUOTE=Critty;n1143395]

Explain Belicheat needing a FG at the buzzer to beat the same Jets team. [/QUOTE}

Explain the Mike McCoy Chargers defeating three Super Bowl participants 3 out of his four years.

If the whole career of Belichick and Lynn were boiled down to their respective team's performances against the Jets, they both appear equal.
Of course, there is a bigger picture that you neglect to mention.

[Critty]

Chain. your half ass takes are pathetic.
Look at all of it!
The Patriots rank 7th in scoring defense vs the pass and rank 4th in interceptions.
Also Patriots rank 21st in total rush yards allowed and rank 15th in scoring defense vs the rush.
If you look at their starting line up. The secondary is their strength. Per attempt is one stat. And it is correct. But the totality of all the stats clearly show the Patriots defend the pass much better than the run.

[Critty]

[QUOTE=powderblueboy;n1143428]

Explain Belicheat needing a FG at the buzzer to beat the same Jets team. [/QUOTE}

Explain the Mike McCoy Chargers defeating three Super Bowl participants 3 out of his four years.

If the whole career of Belichick and Lynn were boiled down to their respective team's performances against the Jets, they both appear equal.
Of course, there is a bigger picture that you neglect to mention.

So you did not explain it or answer. You deflected back to me.

Okay, you want to talk bigger picture. What was Belicheat record after his first 60 games as an HC in NFL. What is Lynn record after first 60 games.

I won't deflect.
For McCoy. My explanation is QB Driven league and he had Rivers in his prime. A QB capable of going toe to toe with any team in the league.

[beachcomber]

Critty.... your defense of Lynn reminds me of when we use to ride clay skateboard wheels.

pretty much no matter how good a sk8er you might of been, it really didn't take much of anything w/those wheels to throw you off your sk8board and into the ditch.

then came along urethane, and oh my, they just smoothed over so many little pebbles, cracks in the sidewalk and heretofore unmakeable transitions, and you just kept on riding, wipeout free.

and then came soft urethane, 'specially oversized soft urethane wheels, and it really took something to get you off your game.... unbelievable addition to the sk8board set up.

and so.... for some reason, and for the many, many reasons you continue to dig/dredge up, it just doesn't seem like it takes much to get Lynn off his game.... like he's got a set of clay wheels under him ??

[Critty]

My big picture.
9-7 move to LA.
12-4 and playoff win.
5-11 move away from 38 year old QB
3-8 new rookie QB. Competitive and arrow pointing up.
Other Fans: Torches Pitchforks. Lynn sucks, this is why.
Me: Want to see 2021 with Lynn.

[jubei]

My big picture.

Me: Want to see 2021 with Lynn.

Lord please no.

[NoMoreChillies]

Critty.... your defense of Lynn reminds me of when we use to ride clay skateboard wheels.

pretty much no matter how good a sk8er you might of been, it really didn't take much of anything w/those wheels to throw you off your sk8board and into the ditch.

then came along urethane, and oh my, they just smoothed over so many little pebbles, cracks in the sidewalk and heretofore unmakeable transitions, and you just kept on riding, wipeout free.

and then came soft urethane, 'specially oversized soft urethane wheels, and it really took something to get you off your game.... unbelievable addition to the sk8board set up.

and so.... for some reason, and for the many, many reasons you continue to dig/dredge up, it just doesn't seem like it takes much to get Lynn off his game.... like he's got a set of clay wheels under him ??

agree
those clay wheels are:
Campbell, Adderly, Ingram, Pipkins, St.Louis, Groy, Jenkins, Facyson, Kelley, JJackson, KJ Hill, Reed, Badgely, White etc.
Some of them could become urethane but they will never be soft urethane

[Caslon]

Lynn's had a reasonable amount of time to produce, to show that, despite injuries, he's the man when he has a full deck. Hell, you give Dallas Cowboys Barry Switzer an inherited system full deck and he'll win a SB...he did his first year after Johnson. Switzer was fired the next year when it was just him and not Jimmy Johnson and what he left Switzer.

In a tiny way, whoever succeeds Lynn has been left something coming in...a legit franchise quarterback.

[21&500]

Lynn's had a reasonable amount of time to produce, to show that, despite injuries, he's the man when he has a full deck. Hell, you give Dallas Cowboys Barry Switzer an inherited system full deck and he'll win a SB...he did his first year after Johnson. Switzer was fired the next year when it was just him and not Jimmy Johnson and what he left Switzer.

In a tiny way, whoever succeeds Lynn has been left something coming in...a legit franchise quarterback.

To produce??
how about just show some requisite competence
how about show that you’re not a liability to your own team?!?
Give me the same record without the
same
exact
mistakes
every
week
and we can talk about 2021
show some responsiveness with Gus or Stewart when we’re still in reasonable contention
Point is that it’s not responsible to ask our stud qb to continue knowing his own HC is not an asset to his own team, at least not enough of an asset to overlook “rookie HC mistakes” in his 4th year.
we’ll see how much responsibility the Spanos decide to take

[powderblueboy]

[QUOTE=Critty;n1143449]

So you did not explain it or answer. You deflected back to me.

Okay, you want to talk bigger picture. What was Belicheat record after his first 60 games as an HC in NFL. What is Lynn record after first 60 games.

I won't deflect.
For McCoy. My explanation is QB Driven league and he had Rivers in his prime. A QB capable of going toe to toe with any team in the league.

I didn't want to play your game....which is taking one game and distilling it into an absolute measurement. What's the saying about any given game?

But alright...

1. In division games are typically closely fought affairs, despite the difference in records.
2. Jets traveled to the west coast to play the Chargers; they stayed at home to play New England
3. New England has actually beaten a good team this year....unlike the Chargers, the Jets game is not their high water mark.
4. 35 - 7

the bigger picture...

1. Belichick: 6 Super Bowl champions, 9 AFC championships, 13 AFC championship games, 17 Eastern division titles,
1 Matt Cassell lead victory over Super Bowl participant (qb driven league, eh?), 2 - 0 against Anthony Lynn

2. Lynn: isser:0 Western division titles, 0 victories over Super Bowl participants, 1 playoff wild card victory, 0 - 2 against Bill Belichick

3. McCoy: isser:O Western division titles, 3 victories over Super Bowl participants, 1 playoff wild card victory, 0 - 1 against Bill Belichick