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  • Boltjolt
    Dont let the PBs fool ya
    • Jun 2013
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    Originally posted by Topcat View Post

    Yep. Here's the Telesco Golden Domer Hall of Shame:

    Teo
    Chris Watt
    Rochell
    Tranq
    Tillery
    Gilman

    Tranquill is the only decent one of the bunch...
    Rochell was ok and for a 7th rounder he was productive but he was Bosa's backup when he missed games and we needed an upgrade.

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    • powderblueboy
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      • Jul 2017
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      Originally posted by Topcat View Post

      Yep. Here's the Telesco Golden Domer Hall of Shame:

      Teo (2nd/4rth)
      Chris Watt (3rd)
      Rochell (7th)
      Tranq (4rth)
      Tillery (1rst)
      Gilman (6th)

      Tranquill is the only decent one of the bunch...
      That group constitutes one entire draft out of nine for Telesco.

      It is like an addiction for Telesco - maybe with the next token in the slot machine he will hit the jackpot.

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      • Boltjolt
        Dont let the PBs fool ya
        • Jun 2013
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        Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

        It is not just moving LTs to guard, it is jerking them to the opposite side of the Oline with the new position.
        Belichick drafted the LT Tuney and moved him to LG. He drafted the RG Shaq Mason, and kept him there.
        Why maximize the difficulty for a rookie?

        Why did they not move Lamp to LG and keep Feeney at RG? After adjusting to the NFL, they can move them around more.

        And there is also the drafting of guards and turning them into centers.
        My point is this is not what they do on occasion, it is what they do period.
        You can point to cases where Left tackles successfully convert to right guards (Zack Martin), and guards successfully convert to centers.
        Generally, it is not the case.

        How has this worked out for Telesco? If you have been successful, keep it up.
        Its also why they like to draft OL that are versatile. Feeney ended up playing OC and LG here a lot more than he did RG in college. You also assume that they just drafted these guys and just did it on their own. They interview these guys at the combine , pro days, etc....and im sure those questions were asked to them and their coaches.

        There is a OG this year in the draft,..... Cade Mays of Tennessee that has played all over the OL there including some OC (think Slater did as well but not as a OC) so dont be surprised if he is on their list or even drafted here. Pipkins has no where else to play so what good is he?

        There are also OL on other teams that have done this. Cam Irving was a LT at Fl st and then got moved to OC because of an injury to their OC. As a rookie at Cleveland they had him at RG then the next season at OC then the next season at RT and at KC he played RG and LT so we arent inventing some crazy changing of the guard of OL just on our team.
        Still comes down to talent.

        Feeney isnt starting for the Jets and isnt playing RG there either. He is their backup OC according to their depth chart. Feeney won accolades/awards from Highschool and in college for being the best OL. But college isnt the NFL and apparently he reached his peak there and just didnt have much room to improve.
        Im not sure Lamp is even on a team right now.

        It happens.
        Last edited by Boltjolt; 12-02-2021, 01:16 PM.

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        • gzubeck
          Ines Sainz = Jet Bait!
          • Jan 2019
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          Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

          Its also why they like to draft OL that are versatile. Feeney ended up playing OC and LG here a lot more than he did RG in college. You also assume that they just drafted these guys and just did it on their own. They interview these guys at the combine , pro days, etc....and im sure those questions were asked to them and their coaches.

          There is a OG this year in the draft,..... Cade Mays of Tennessee that has played all over the OL there including some OC (think Slater did as well but not as a OC) so dont be surprised if he is on their list or even drafted here. Pipkins has no where else to play so what good is he?

          There are also OL on other teams that have done this. Cam Irving was a LT at Fl st and then got moved to OC because of an injury to their OC. As a rookie at Cleveland they had him at RG then the next season at OC then the next season at RT and at KC he played RG and LT so we arent inventing some crazy changing of the guard of OL just on our team.
          Still comes down to talent.

          Feeney isnt starting for the Jets and isnt playing RG there either. He is their backup OC according to their depth chart. Feeney won accolades/awards from Highschool and in college for being the best OL. But college isnt the NFL and apparently he reached his peak there and just didnt have much room to improve.
          Im not sure Lamp is even on a team right now.

          It happens.
          Given how banged up we are Feeney would be a starting guard on our team right now!

          :wtf2:
          Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....

          "Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh

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          • powderblueboy
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            • Jul 2017
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            Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

            Its also why they like to draft OL that are versatile. Feeney ended up playing OC and LG here a lot more than he did RG in college. You also assume that they just drafted these guys and just did it on their own. They interview these guys at the combine , pro days, etc....and im sure those questions were asked to them and their coaches.

            There is a OG this year in the draft,..... Cade Mays of Tennessee that has played all over the OL there including some OC (think Slater did as well but not as a OC) so dont be surprised if he is on their list or even drafted here. Pipkins has no where else to play so what good is he?

            There are also OL on other teams that have done this. Cam Irving was a LT at Fl st and then got moved to OC because of an injury to their OC. As a rookie at Cleveland they had him at RG then the next season at OC then the next season at RT and at KC he played RG and LT so we arent inventing some crazy changing of the guard of OL just on our team.
            Still comes down to talent.

            Feeney isnt starting for the Jets and isnt playing RG there either. He is their backup OC according to their depth chart. Feeney won accolades/awards from Highschool and in college for being the best OL. But college isnt the NFL and apparently he reached his peak there and just didnt have much room to improve.
            Im not sure Lamp is even on a team right now.

            It happens.
            Its happens too often.

            Feeney failed...he wasn't good enough to be a solid starter in the NFL. If you drafted him to play guard, it would have been easier to pass on him);
            but Telesco and staff saw him as a center - they made the more difficult evaluation of projecting his skills onto a position he hardly played.

            Telesco isn't particularly good at projecting an Olineman's skill set onto a new position, or onto a much, much higher level of play (Div III to the pros);
            he should probably stop doing it. It will make it easier on himself, and more importantly, easier on us Charger fans.

            If Cade Mays has played quite a bit one of the positions the Chargers wish to fill, by all means, draft him;
            if not, pound Telesco's groin with a big hammer if he starts to signal Cade May's as the selection when on the clock.

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            • Topcat
              AKA "Pollcat"
              • Jan 2019
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              Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

              Given how banged up we are Feeney would be a starting guard on our team right now!

              :wtf2:
              Feeney would also be rag-dolled and on roller skates...

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              • gzubeck
                Ines Sainz = Jet Bait!
                • Jan 2019
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                Originally posted by Topcat View Post

                Feeney would also be rag-dolled and on roller skates...
                Yes, but at least he's a quality speedbump. The guys we have now just get juked and don't get much of anything.

                :shifty:
                Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....

                "Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh

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                • jamrock
                  lawyers, guns and money
                  • Sep 2017
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                  Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

                  Yes, but at least he's a quality speedbump. The guys we have now just get juked and don't get much of anything.

                  :shifty:
                  On some of the plays against Denver it looked like Senio barely even landed a hand on the DL’man. It was crazy how bad he looked on some of those plays

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                  • Boltinloudguy
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                    • Nov 2021
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                    Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                    Its happens too often.

                    Feeney failed...he wasn't good enough to be a solid starter in the NFL. If you drafted him to play guard, it would have been easier to pass on him);
                    but Telesco and staff saw him as a center - they made the more difficult evaluation of projecting his skills onto a position he hardly played.

                    Telesco isn't particularly good at projecting an Olineman's skill set onto a new position, or onto a much, much higher level of play (Div III to the pros);
                    he should probably stop doing it. It will make it easier on himself, and more importantly, easier on us Charger fans.

                    If Cade Mays has played quite a bit one of the positions the Chargers wish to fill, by all means, draft him;
                    if not, pound Telesco's groin with a big hammer if he starts to signal Cade May's as the selection when on the clock.
                    If they were to go after Cade Mays, I would again keep him on the right side wether it’s G or tackle. That’s where he has spent most of his college career. He reminds me of Richie Incognito for some reason.

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                    • blueman
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                      • Jun 2013
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                      Originally posted by jamrock View Post

                      On some of the plays against Denver it looked like Senio barely even landed a hand on the DL’man. It was crazy how bad he looked on some of those plays
                      Pretty damning about the guys we have in the roster and PS who aren’t playing/getting called up.

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                      • Topcat
                        AKA "Pollcat"
                        • Jan 2019
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                        Originally posted by blueman View Post

                        Pretty damning about the guys we have in the roster and PS who aren’t playing/getting called up.
                        ^ This...shows how awful our scouting is that a scrub like Scho is signed off the street and immediately better than Jaimes or a PS guy like Hunter...
                        Last edited by Topcat; 12-04-2021, 10:17 AM.

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                        • Formula 21
                          The Future is Now
                          • Jun 2013
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                          Prediction. Jaimes starts this week.
                          Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                          The Wasted Decade is done.
                          Build Back Better.

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