Coach Staley Discussion - Fired

[Xenos]

Popper is offering up a straw man argument. For the most part, nobody is questioning Staley's decisions to go for it on 4th down, and yes going for it in most of those cases were beneficial.

But there were a few instances that Staley should not have gone for it, common sense dictated he take the points or punt. The first was the KC game when opted to go for it instead of kick a field goal with just a few seconds remaining in the half. The 2nd instance of course is going for it on 4th down on the Chargers 18 yard line with more than a yard to convert. Those two decisions were simply not the right choice, and it cost the Chargers points in games that ended up tied at the end of regulation.

Once again, I think you’re looking at it too narrowly. The problem was that we didn’t execute on those plays. The latter in particular was just a bad playcall especially because we didn’t leave it in Herbert’s hand. Additionally, you’re falling into the trap of thinking that taking the points or punting would leave everything else the same.

[Velo]

Once again, I think you’re looking at it too narrowly. The problem was that we didn’t execute on those plays. The latter in particular was just a bad playcall especially because we didn’t leave it in Herbert’s hand. Additionally, you’re falling into the trap of thinking that taking the points or punting would leave everything else the same.

There are always going to be plays that are not executed properly. No team in history has ever executed every single play properly. There is always going to be risk going for it on 4th down. In situations where the risk outweighs the benefit, you don't go for it. You either take the chip shot FG or punt it away. It's not rocket surgery, it's common sense.

[Xenos]

There are always going to be plays that are not executed properly. No team in history has ever executed every single play properly. There is always going to be risk going for it on 4th down. In situations where the risk outweighs the benefit, you don't go for it. You either take the chip shot FG or punt it away. It's not rocket surgery, it's common sense.

We’re going to disagree on this unfortunately. And next season is going to make you miserable because he’s going to keep doing it.

[gzubeck]

I don't see the link posted here but there are some very good questions and responses from Staley here.

[Caslon]

Playoffs next season or Staley is gone, fired. No 3 year pass. Management usually does the three year thing. Unacceptable if Staley fails to get into the playoffs, even missing getting in to another team and getting to 10-7 or 11-6.

[Parcells]

Playoffs next season or Staley is gone, fired. No 3 year pass. Management usually does the three year thing. Unacceptable if Staley fails to get into the playoffs, even missing getting in to another team and getting to 10-7 or 11-6.

I still believe in Staley. But as long as Hervert stays healthy, making the playoffs is absolutely a reasonable expectation. I genuinely believe that a year from now there will be no discussion about firing Staley.

[Parcells]

https://www.facebook.com/chargers/videos/325746779432274/

It's a good watch.

[Xenos]

Here’s an interesting stat: we were top 5 in 4th down conversions and only us and the Ravens failed to make the playoffs. The other three were the Chiefs, Bengals, and Patriots. Maybe the problems weren’t going for it. Maybe the problem was, I don’t know, giving up so many third downs on defense.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=highest+4th+down+conversion%25+2021

[gzubeck]

Playoffs next season or Staley is gone, fired. No 3 year pass. Management usually does the three year thing. Unacceptable if Staley fails to get into the playoffs, even missing getting in to another team and getting to 10-7 or 11-6.

I think that there's an exception to this. What if Herbert goes down with a significant injury for multiple games during the season? So unless Easton Stick can help win a few of those games this could be a tall order and a hard pass if he actually fixes the defense.

:smoking:

[Riverwalk]

There are always going to be plays that are not executed properly. No team in history has ever executed every single play properly. There is always going to be risk going for it on 4th down. In situations where the risk outweighs the benefit, you don't go for it. You either take the chip shot FG or punt it away. It's not rocket surgery, it's common sense.

I agree with you. Even Staley doesn’t go for it on every 4th down. He draws a line based on risk/reward.

Those of us criticizing the 4th and two on the 18 yard line feel the risk was too great if they failed to achieve a first down and we are in good company because virtually every successful coach in history would have punted the ball.

It was reckless and backfired.

[Riverwalk]

I think that there's an exception to this. What if Herbert goes down with a significant injury for multiple games during the season? So unless Easton Stick can help win a few of those games this could be a tall order and a hard pass if he actually fixes the defense.

:smoking:

It’s incumbent on coaches to have competent backups. QB is no exception. They aren’t there to carry a clipboard and flash a pretty mane of hair.

That’s why you pay NFL coaches more in a year than 90% of fans make in a lifetime.

[JAFA]

You're dreaming! No team has a competent (enough) backup QB. Why do you think the league owners instituted such a high level of protection for them? They're too expensive to lose and no-one want to watch a team playing it's 2nd string QB as it generally wont be a competitive game. If your starting QB goes down, so does the team. We're even more imbalanced in this because Herbert is sooo good and Stick is sooo not good.

I would love to have a quality backup QB, but really - who does? If Rodgers goes down in GB is Jordon Love going to win in his place (no)? Geno Smith in place of Russel Wilson?? And does anyone know who the backup QB is in Tampa?? Or KC? I don't.