AFC West Updates

[blueman]

They added Everett and Spiller too. Maybe Horvath too though i need to see him play against NFL players.

Better RB2 lay would definitely help, and yeah I hope Everett betters what Cook was able to do (early, before his tank emptied).

[Boltjolt]

I just watched the video and I feel the same way. It’s because he’s not saying anything new other than using a new terminology in cash over cap. But the idea of signing bonuses and spreading it over a certain period is what a lot of teams have done in the past to get short term relief. The Saints being the best example before the Rams did it. Andrew Brandt essentially said the same thing in the end as what I quoted. The cap isn’t a farce. There’s just different ways to manipulate it accounting wise especially for a particular year. But it’s not the advantage you think it is for a rich owner. What does currently give the Rams an advantage is that there’s been no major injuries to their big 4 core players: Stafford, Kupp, Ramsey, and Donald. It allows them to let other role guys go, save cap money, and replenish the supplies with draft picks. And they’ve been successful at replacing the role players so far.

The difference is Kroenke can afford to keep doing it and only a few of NFL owners can. That is what he was saying. They need a cap for the cap over cash and he even said guys like Kroenke and Jerry Jones would oppose it. And it is an advantage IF the rich owner is fine with paying out millions in cash. Granted there are only a handful that can or will.

But still, im just saying make it fair and the NFL should address it.

Also The Rams only paid Von Miller under 1 mil last season to take him on so they gained virtually nothing for him to sign elsewhere. They didnt lose anyone of significant money. But they signed their own to big deals and only restuctured Floyd which saved 12 mil, and Whitworth retired and they saved 2 mil from their punter.
Who else did they lose that saved them big money? Really no one.

They got Darius Wiliams off waivers from Balt so he was cheap for them and he went elsewhere this off season.


https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lis...racts-tracker/

[equivocation]

Rams FA losses

2022

Von Miller starting edge
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo rotational edge (79.2 pff grade)
Austin Corbett starting guard 1080 snaps 68.8 pff grade
Darious Williams starting CB 925 snaps
Troy Reeder starting LB 681 snaps
Sebastien Joseph-Day starting IDL
WR OBJ (so far)
Robert Woods

2021

Morgan Fox
Austin Blythe starting C 1119 snaps 69.3 pff grade
Michael Brockers starting 4i 624 snaps
Troy Hill starting CB 972 snaps 74.2 pff
John Johnson starting safety 1026 snaps 85.6 pff
Prob more I don't remember.


10 starters and 3 key rotational players over 2 years is a LOT of guys they chose not to pay. These are all solid to good players, not busts.

[equivocation]

Darious Williams got $10M/year
Von Miller got 6 years $120M

They were cheap rent a vets last year. Von Miller cost 2 draft picks. When it came time to pay them the Rams didn't.

[Xenos]

The difference is Kroenke can afford to keep doing it and only a few of NFL owners can. That is what he was saying. They need a cap for the cap over cash and he even said guys like Kroenke and Jerry Jones would oppose it. And it is an advantage IF the rich owner is fine with paying out millions in cash. Granted there are only a handful that can or will.

But still, im just saying make it fair and the NFL should address it.

Also The Rams only paid Von Miller under 1 mil last season to take him on so they gained virtually nothing for him to sign elsewhere. They didnt lose anyone of significant money. But they signed their own to big deals and only restuctured Floyd which saved 12 mil, and Whitworth retired and they saved 2 mil from their punter.
Who else did they lose that saved them big money? Really no one.

They got Darius Wiliams off waivers from Balt so he was cheap for them and he went elsewhere this off season.


https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lis...racts-tracker/

Kroenke won’t be able to keep doing it though. They’re going all in now because of the limited window due to Stafford’s and Donald’s age. They got two years left to get another SB.

If you look at all the rich owners, like Jerry, even they had to make tough financial decisions this offseason such as releasing Collins and trading Cooper to be more cap flexible. I also see a lot of one year deal.

Also, look at how the contracts are structured for all the Rams signings. As I mentioned previously, some of the contract numbers are misleading to say the least.

[equivocation]

Dallas traded Amari Cooper for a 5th. Why didn't they jist loophole him?

[Boltjolt]

Rams FA losses

2022

Von Miller starting edge
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo rotational edge (79.2 pff grade)
Austin Corbett starting guard 1080 snaps 68.8 pff grade
Darious Williams starting CB 925 snaps
Troy Reeder starting LB 681 snaps
Sebastien Joseph-Day starting IDL
WR OBJ (so far)
Robert Woods

2021

Morgan Fox
Austin Blythe starting C 1119 snaps 69.3 pff grade
Michael Brockers starting 4i 624 snaps
Troy Hill starting CB 972 snaps 74.2 pff
John Johnson starting safety 1026 snaps 85.6 pff
Prob more I don't remember.


10 starters and 3 key rotational players over 2 years is a LOT of guys they chose not to pay. These are all solid to good players, not busts.

Talking money here not who. Only Woods there was making good money and they traded him after singing Robinson which give them a 10 mil dead cap hit. 67% for this year, 33% next year.

[Boltjolt]

Kroenke won’t be able to keep doing it though. They’re going all in now because of the limited window due to Stafford’s and Donald’s age. They got two years left to get another SB.

If you look at all the rich owners, like Jerry, even they had to make tough financial decisions this offseason such as releasing Collins and trading Cooper to be more cap flexible. I also see a lot of one year deal.

Also, look at how the contracts are structured for all the Rams signings. As I mentioned previously, some of the contract numbers are misleading to say the least.

Why? He can if he wants to pay out millions. That is the point. Stafford is signed thru 2026 and according to Sportrac their potentual out isnt til 2025. Guaranteed they will shell out more cash to him down the road.

[Formula 21]

Chief's have brought in some nice players this offseason: a bonanza for a typical Charger off season: but unlike the Rams, at least they cleared some cap space.

Its just bonkers for the Rams:
they lost Woods but signed Allen Robinson to a Mike William's-like contract,
they signed Bobby Wagner to a five year contract,
they resigned Joseph Noteboom to a large contract,
they'll bring in OBJ mid season.

They are in cap hell and still are competitive with Charger signings in a once in a blue moon Charger off season with a qb in his rookie contract.

Is there really such a thing as cap hell? No team ever seems to be destroyed by spending future dollars today.

[Xenos]

Why? He can if he wants to pay out millions. That is the point. Stafford is signed thru 2026 and according to Sportrac their potentual out isnt til 2025. Guaranteed they will shell out more cash to him down the road.

While Stafford is only 34, he also has a bit of an injury history. I don’t know if he’ll last past 2025 playing wise without a serious decline. But yeah, if he continues playing good, they’ll try to extend him again to save more cap space in 2025. It’s what the Saints did with Brees.

[equivocation]

Talking money here not who. Only Woods there was making good money and they traded him after singing Robinson which give them a 10 mil dead cap hit. 67% for this year, 33% next year.

That's exactly the point. "The Rams get production out of cheap players then let them walk instead of paying them" isn't countered by "but the Rams aren't paying them". It's exactly the opposite.

[equivocation]

Is there really such a thing as cap hell? No team ever seems to be destroyed by spending future dollars today.

Because the cap keeps going up it's like having a negative interest loan.