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  • Topcat
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    • Jan 2019
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    #37
    Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post

    What “fantastic kickoff leg” is Staley talking about? He had multiple kicks today that did not reach end zone or barely did so the returner returned it.
    Yep...that kickoff to the 7-yd. line was Bankrupt Bags-like...

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    • UglyTruth
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      • Oct 2018
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      #38
      Originally posted by cmplxgal View Post
      I feel like they won’t cut him till his misses cost the Chargers a game. Like if they lost today and the Washington game (missed kicks) then I think he would’ve been cut by the morning.

      But because they won (no thanks to him) it basically saved his job.

      I hope we don’t lose a game later in the season with playoff implications because of staying over patient with him.

      Even his makes seem lucky because their barely inside the goal posts.
      Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

      - 69-74 record
      - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
      - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
      - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
      - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
      - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
      - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games

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      • UglyTruth
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        #39
        Watching SNF and the Chiefs kicker Butker nails a 54 yarder in heavy wind…and Vizcaino can’t make extra points in the dome smh.
        Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

        - 69-74 record
        - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
        - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
        - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
        - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
        - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
        - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games

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        • Steve
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          • Jun 2013
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          #40
          If I recall, the ball was kicked to one side, and kind of hung up there, giving the coverage team more time to get down.

          As far as Long goes, I don't recall if he got hurt because of that. But generically, kicking and punting requires different skills and muscles. The sequencing is all different too. I think the concern was that it is a fair amount of workload for 1 player. Kickers and punter are all about going out, being as explosive as possible on 5 -10 plays per game. If it starts to become a endurance/conditioning thing, because they have a 2x or 3x workload, then there is a good chance that you cold tweek a muscle, and that shit lingers.

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          • bolthead123
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            • Jan 2019
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            #41
            Get rid of him. The guy is supposed to be a professional -- I can understand one missed PAT every couple of seasons, but two in one game? Something isn't right with him and his preparation.

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            • cmplxgal
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              • Jul 2017
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              #42
              Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
              Definitely by design, they are trying to pin the other team inside the 20, using the high arc kickoff. That's fine, but our coverage isn't up to speed.

              Yes, the last few kickoffs were out of the end zone, so you could see that the instructions changed.

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              • powderblueboy
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                #43
                His last kickoff was a big special teams play.
                Cleveland got the ball inside their own 20.

                #57 (Obongbemiga) made a great special teams play there.

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                • kgbpasha
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                  • May 2017
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                  #44
                  Get rid of him so he can become a Pro Bowl kicker somewhere else?

                  Staley is right. He's young. Develop him.
                  He has the leg just needs the mechanics worked on.

                  Mike McCoy and Anthony Lynn are no longer here.
                  Staley is Gawd.

                  See: Lambo/Koo

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                  • Xenos
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                    • Feb 2019
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                    #45
                    Originally posted by Quite_Frankly View Post
                    Everyone saying we have to keep him...thats crazy...look at today..Cleveland had two OL men down, and guys came in and were doing the job. Kickers are a dime a dozen. Just that we got a bad one.
                    Kickers aren’t a dime a dozen though. Not everyone can be Justin Tucker. And with the recent extra point change, kickers are missing the gimme Xtra Pts more and more.

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                    • SK21209
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                      #46
                      I know this won’t happen/never happens, but why not offer a bad team a late round pick for their kicker? Graham Gano is having a good year for a 1-4 Giants team going nowhere, why not trade him if you’re the Giants.

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                      • Xenos
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                        • Feb 2019
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                        #47
                        Originally posted by Steve View Post
                        It worked out today with his miss.

                        The catch is do you think if the situation demanded a kick late in the game with very little or no time, do you trust Viz to make it? Do you trust anyone else on that list? Presumably some of the older guys on the list have the consistency (or did) but you have to wonder what is each guys deal. Long can handle the KO if necessary, he did when he filled in for Bagley.

                        There is also the thought of having Long do the kicking and punting. I am not sure it would be any better than Viz, but at least it would be the advantage of saving a roster spot, particularly if the "other" kicker isn't much of an improvement and you would have to do roster shuffling.

                        Sometimes the misses are due to the hold or snap. I didn't see anything obvious today, but watching the all-22 from KC (both kicks), there was no problem with either the hold or snap on either play.

                        Viz just got around the ball too much, and it went off to the left. Same thing happened today, although the all-22 film doesn't come out for another day or two to be sure.
                        I believe we asked Long to stick to punting because it was causing issues for him doing split duties.

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                        • Xenos
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                          • Feb 2019
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                          #48
                          Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post

                          That’s fine at least it’s a different gamble.

                          Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is well…you already know the answer to that.
                          Like releasing Lambo and Koo?

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