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  • Cdn Bolt
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    Originally posted by Xenos View Post
    What coaches and players? Were they on the Chargers and Raiders, or from the outside?

    Edit: I’m also not one who posted that the long snapper told Ekeler that they were going to take a knee.
    Edit. That was before the kicker clarified his remarks if you want to believe he was being forthright too

    ? All you mention and more . Lots of players and coaches. Writers too it was talked about on CBS, ESPN, NFL Network , Profootball Talk every outlet google any article or outlet you want. Rex Ryan and the ESPN crew (players and coaches) CBS writer Patrick Walker to name just 2. Again Collinsworth and Michaels are players too.

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    • richpjr
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      Originally posted by Cdn Bolt View Post

      That is just your spin and propaganda. Coaches and other players were seriously debating this You seem to want to take one side only at face value. Read the post above for a reasoned, sensible and balanced view Either way we we'll leave it there.
      Seems like some people are missing the main point here - Staley called the timeout with 4 seconds left on the play clock. The Raiders were not in a kneel down formation and were going to run a play. If they were lined up to take a knee or there was 30 seconds left on the play clock there might be something to discuss. The timeout made no difference in the end result.

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      • powderblueboy
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        Originally posted by Xenos View Post

        The bigger question is why didn’t Staley have the right personnel on that third down. Because honestly, he would have been equally crucified if he didn’t call TO and Carr actually hit this pass.
        It means that by Staley calling the timeout, the Raiders only option would be a field goal from 58 yards out or closer with no time left on the clock.
        Being an analytics driven guy, he couldn't conceive of a conservative old timer opting for a punt in that situation for fear of Herbert and time on the clock.

        BTW, I'm counting only 9 defenders in that picture....there must be a Charger out of the frame lined up on the near side receiver.

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        • Xenos
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          Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

          It means that by Staley calling the timeout, the Raiders only option would be a field goal from 58 yards out or closer with no time left on the clock.
          Being an analytics driven guy, he couldn't conceive of a conservative old timer opting for a punt in that situation.

          BTW, I'm counting only 9 defenders in that picture....there must be a Charger out of the frame lined up on the near side receiver.
          But the fact remains that it was going to be a run regardless of the TO, and that the Chargers still needed to stop the RB from getting a first down. And that’s what matters. If they had stopped the RB, it would have likely ended in a tie.

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          • Cdn Bolt
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            Originally posted by richpjr View Post

            Seems like some people are missing the main point here - Staley called the timeout with 4 seconds left on the play clock. The Raiders were not in a kneel down formation and were going to run a play. If they were lined up to take a knee or there was 30 seconds left on the play clock there might be something to discuss. The timeout made no difference in the end result.
            No one said they were going to take a knee on 3rd down. They were running the clock down on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down as much as possible then running the ball. That isn't what you do if you are trying to get in field goal position for a win. You would want to get closer for a chip shot.

            They could not lose either way. Out of field goal range take a knee or try a 57 yd field goal. No one would criticize either move. 47 yder same decision but kicking the field goal probably made more sense

            All I was ever saying was it was intriguing all the thinking taking place on both sides given the down/distance situation and the fact a tie is a win.

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            • Xenos
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              Originally posted by Cdn Bolt View Post

              Edit. That was before the kicker clarified his remarks if you want to believe he was being forthright too

              ? All you mention and more . Lots of players and coaches. Writers too it was talked about on CBS, ESPN, NFL Network , Profootball Talk every outlet google any article or outlet you want. Rex Ryan and the ESPN crew (players and coaches) CBS writer Patrick Walker to name just 2. Again Collinsworth and Michaels are players too.
              The guys outside don’t really matter since they’re just badly speculating to generate buzz. At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself this: why were the Raiders okay with taking the knee and facing the Chiefs the following week, but not okay with doing so after the timeout? This crazy story being pushed is just that, crazy.

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              • Xenos
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                Originally posted by Cdn Bolt View Post

                No one said they were going to take a knee on 3rd down. They were running the clock down on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down as much as possible then running the ball. That isn't what you do if you are trying to get in field goal position for a win. You would want to get closer for a chip shot.

                They could not lose either way. Out of field goal range take a knee or try a 57 yd field goal. No one would criticize either move. 47 yder same decision but kicking the field goal probably made more sense
                Posts like this one makes me wonder why we’re still talking about this. So we’re in agreement the problem wasn’t the timeout. It’s that we couldn’t stop them on that third down, correct?

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                • powderblueboy
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                  Unfortunately, the analytics guy couldn't perform fast enough for Staley the integral equation for Raider success beforehand:

                  just use the function of opting for field goal vs. punt based on proximity to endzone & time left on the clock, combined
                  with the function for the percentage by which the Raider offense would achieve a specific amount of yardage on that 3rd down play.

                  Then just integrate it over all possible distances and times. Pretty damn simple.

                  Fire him!!!

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                  • Xenos
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                    Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post
                    Unfortunately, the analytics guy couldn't perform fast enough for Staley the integral equation for Raider success beforehand:

                    just use the function of opting for field goal vs. punt based on proximity to endzone & time left on the clock, combined
                    with the function for the percentage by which the Raider offense would achieve a specific amount of yardage on that 3rd down play.

                    Then just integrate it over all possible distances and times. Pretty damn simple.

                    Fire him!!!
                    Miss Anthony Lynn I see lol. It was simpler times when you just went with your gut.

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                    • Cdn Bolt
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                      Originally posted by Xenos View Post
                      Posts like this one makes me wonder why we’re still talking about this. So we’re in agreement the problem wasn’t the timeout. It’s that we couldn’t stop them on that third down, correct?
                      Because it was an interesting situation worth discussing. The pt was they were trying to run the clock down ( they win) or get the 1st (they win) or kick a field goal ( they win even if they miss) Lots of decisions that aren't exclusive to each other being made on each down.

                      But yes we choked and gave up 10 yds and it was about the only way we could have lost then

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                      • AZBolt
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                        Originally posted by blueman View Post
                        Fuck all this bullshit about the last Raiders possession in OT. If we score a touchdown after their first field goal we win (thank you D). Where was this top 5 O I keep reading about? After we failed to score a TD, it was over, they have the best field goal kicker in the league and are going to the playoffs even if they tie. We needed our vaunted O to put a dagger in their heart and they failed. Upgrade some spots on O. Keep upgrading the D, yes. But our O lost this game.
                        True Blueman.........but it didn't help that JH hit Cook on a beautiful 32 yd pass completion on the first play in OT.......the refs nullifies it with the ticky tack down field call against Fieler penalty......now I we are 5 yds backward instead of 32 forward.......and Feiler was engaged just a few yards downfied, that sucked shouldn't have been called.

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                        • blueman
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                          Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                          Bottom line.......make a defensive stop. Don't rely on the other team to take a knee. Earn your way in.

                          We didn't earn it.
                          We did make a defensive stop, held them to a field goal first possession. O did not do its job, did not earn its way in.

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