Tom Telesco Discussion - Retained for 2023 Season.

[Fouts2herbert]

We spent it but on the wrong players this season. Too many over paid has beens that screwed us this past season.

I don’t understand how you can say this when they rolled almost 10 million in cap space into this new year from a reduced cap space year where most teams had to let guys go just to squeeze under the cap.

If you’re referring to bulaga and harris making 18million combined against last years cap. That was also them being cheap. Those were bad 2020 FA offseason signings and how did the Chargers react? Did they cut their losses and say let’s move on from these guys and go spend on some of the 2021 FAs to correct our mistake? No, instead they kept the two guys on the roster because of bonuses paid in 2020. Neither player earned their money and both hurt the team one by being absent altogether and the other by being absent on the field. Both of those guys meant two other players got cut in final round of cuts. That’s two players we could’ve kept to help the team.

[Bolt4Knob]

I don’t understand how you can say this when they rolled almost 10 million in cap space into this new year from a reduced cap space year where most teams had to let guys go just to squeeze under the cap.

If you’re referring to bulaga and harris making 18million combined against last years cap. That was also them being cheap. Those were bad 2020 FA offseason signings and how did the Chargers react? Did they cut their losses and say let’s move on from these guys and go spend on some of the 2021 FAs to correct our mistake? No, instead they kept the two guys on the roster because of bonuses paid in 2020. Neither player earned their money and both hurt the team one by being absent altogether and the other by being absent on the field. Both of those guys meant two other players got cut in final round of cuts. That’s two players we could’ve kept to help the team.

The contract they wrote for Bulaga meant his second year was guaranteed - there was no advantage to releasing him

I think the key is identifying the right players and not just "hey this guy fits and he works cap wise". That is how they got Bulaga, Joseph and Harris. They were all good players at one time in their careers but older so more affordable

So when I see the name Akiem Hicks - I am good for depth. But not as a starter. This last offseason - Telesco signed Linsley, Feiler and aBoushi. I see Hicks as maybe Feiler or Aboushi - but not the big money top notch player in Linsley. He needs to have the same type of offseason with the defense - spread the wealth cap wise but really bring in a difference maker and also hope you get a bargain like Aboushi

[ChargersPowderBlue]

this is precisely the kind of thinking the Spanos’ bank on to keep manipulating fans on the notion that “it’s a player greed issue” LOL. As long as season ticket holders keep buying that bullshit they’ll keep selling tickets. Mike is seasoned beteran has come into his own and has rapport with Justin Herbert. Hunter Henry didn’t get top TE money nor was he asking for it and now the team has a hole at TE and developing a 3rd rounder to start in 2022. Mind you they could still be developing him behind Hunter Henry and not probably counting on him to start year 2. This is where the depth issue comes up, you keep starting over with new guys and don’t have any depth as a result.

Firing TT is not going to change a damn thing.

Parham and Anderson have proven to be good. Mckitty will be the successor to Cook. TE is in good hands, provided the players stay healthy.

The contract they wrote for Bulaga meant his second year was guaranteed - there was no advantage to releasing him

I think the key is identifying the right players and not just "hey this guy fits and he works cap wise". That is how they got Bulaga, Joseph and Harris. They were all good players at one time in their careers but older so more affordable

So when I see the name Akiem Hicks - I am good for depth. But not as a starter. This last offseason - Telesco signed Linsley, Feiler and aBoushi. I see Hicks as maybe Feiler or Aboushi - but not the big money top notch player in Linsley. He needs to have the same type of offseason with the defense - spread the wealth cap wise but really bring in a difference maker and also hope you get a bargain like Aboushi

When TT got Joseph and Harris, it was the first time he was active in off-season FA. He was forced to step up after parting ways with Rivers because TT didn't do jack squat prior to that point.

The players he and John boy need to pursue are players who are seeking for their second contracts. A lot of times this team goes for players who are on their third contract or players who are castoffs from other teams.

[Bolt4Knob]

Parham and Anderson have proven to be good. Mckitty will be the successor to Cook. TE is in good hands, provided the players stay healthy.



When TT got Joseph and Harris, it was the first time he was active in off-season FA. He was forced to step up after parting ways with Rivers because TT didn't do jack squat prior to that point.

The players he and John boy need to pursue are players who are seeking for their second contracts. A lot of times this team goes for players who are on their third contract or players who are castoffs from other teams.

Exactly - target the players on their second contract . Its going to cost more but you can fill it with other lower paid players. Its a game that John Boy and TT do not play well.

[powderblueboy]

Parham and Anderson have proven to be good. Mckitty will be the successor to Cook. TE is in good hands, provided the players stay healthy.



When TT got Joseph and Harris, it was the first time he was active in off-season FA. He was forced to step up after parting ways with Rivers because TT didn't do jack squat prior to that point.

The players he and John boy need to pursue are players who are seeking for their second contracts. A lot of times this team goes for players who are on their third contract or players who are castoffs from other teams.

They can be expensive.

The M.O. is for the Chargers to pay for two moderately priced declining vets seeking a 3rd contract, than one vet seeking a 2nd contract.

If you pool all your money in one expensive free agent, and they get injured or don't pan out, then you have a big problem.
Chargers are probably too cautious.....its a culture dedicated to risk management assessments.

Bulaga & Chris Harris Jr, combined, was comparable to that one elite free agent vet who did not pan out.

Bulaga/Harris Jr. or Trent Williams?


Hall of Famer Al Davis

[powderblueboy]

I got this from the other site, from one use to how organizations operate:

Draft and FA decisions are all a collaboration of those in the system the Chargers choose to utilize, as such, firing the GM is unlikely to fix the issue. Now if TT is just making decisions on his own impulse, and those decisions are counter to the evaluations from the system, then that is the problem....and easy fix. I highly doubt that is the case, and as much as I believe J Spanos mucks up the process, I doubt he is ignoring the evaluations and making calls on his own either. So what is the fix.....the conundrum many an owner has faced.

HC's are hired and fired by the owner, always.....contrary to how the decision might be presented to the media.

[floydefisher]

You laugh at the curse of Norvell?

Norv was fired by Washington in 2000: what is the state of that franchise ever since?
Norv was fired from Oakland in 2006: just now they are struggling to crawl out from the wicked spell he cast over the Raiders for his untimely dismissal.
Norv was fired from San Diego in 2012: he predicted barren years for the franchise with no firm time line in which the drought might be lifted.

Its out of Telesco's hands.

LOL.

Guess what else Washington and Oakland have in common? If you said they are both enmeshed in the same Daniel Snyder scandal, give yourself a cookie.

So, is it the curse of Norv Turner, or is it the curse of Daniel Snyder?

[powderblueboy]

Time to resuscitate this thread.

I usually refrained from talking about firing this guy.

Right about now it just seems right: it is not working out.

Other than moments, it never has been working out.

This is his 10th year as GM, an 11th year will not bring a change to the results.

Its time to admit the obvious:

barring a miraculous change in performance from this team this year, Telesco needs to go.

[powderblueboy]

LOL.

Guess what else Washington and Oakland have in common? If you said they are both enmeshed in the same Daniel Snyder scandal, give yourself a cookie.

So, is it the curse of Norv Turner, or is it the curse of Daniel Snyder?

The curse of Norv Turner turned out to be the hiring of Tom Telesco.

Norv's vengeful curse that he issued at his final press conference to the Charger organization was terribly prophetic.
It came in the banal form of the amiable TT.

Would the Chargers still be in San Diego minus the demonic curse of NOrv?
:freakout:

[Topcat]

Time to resuscitate this thread.

I usually refrained from talking about firing this guy.

Right about now it just seems right: it is not working out.

Other than moments, it never has been working out.

This is his 10th year as GM, an 11th year will not bring a change to the results.

Its time to admit the obvious:

barring a miraculous change in performance in this team this year, Telesco needs to go.

Yep...TT has had long enough...hire some asst. GM for a team with a proven track record of making excellent draft picks and signing quality FA's...hmmm...time for another poll?

[powderblueboy]

Unfortunately, the curse of NOrvell is very, very real.

Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers, Washington Redskins:

what do all three of these franchises have in common? Two of them have moved....the only two teams to have moved since NOrvell's final presser as a head coach.
The other was forced to change their name. Coincidence? Absolutely not! ............................... :below:


A decade later and none are contenders: two barely treading water and the 3rd sinking into the abyss (Raiders)

When will it end?

Will hiring Scott Turner as head coach end this curse? It seems to be working in Washington,
where after 5 straight losing seasons they have a winning record up to this point.

[powderblueboy]

If this season holds to form, there will only have been one playoff appearance in that last 9 years under Telesco.
His first off season was his best.....really not much after that.

Why might that be?