Schofield played the entire OT against Raiders with a torn bicep

[blueman]

Weird how the round a player is picked seems to correlate with their developmental time.

Really? We have a long history of late round picks/UDFAs who came in and contributed right away, even started. Is every player the next Gates? Of course not. But expectations should be all over the place, for every player IMHO. Then see what they do. Not encouraging about Jaimes, but look at Pip. Who knows.

[Xenos]

Really? We have a long history of late round picks/UDFAs who came in and contributed right away, even started. Is every player the next Gates? Of course not. But expectations should be all over the place, for every player IMHO. Then see what they do. Not encouraging about Jaimes, but look at Pip. Who knows.

It’s statistics dude. You just said it yourself. The chances of an UDFA being the next Gates is an outlier. Gates, who I remind you, was horrible his rookie season. Otherwise we should just hoard UDFA and trade all our other picks. Expectations are higher for a 1st rounder than a 5th rounder. Especially a 5th rounder only one year. It’s called patience. If they were ready to start right away, they would have been drafted earlier.

[gzubeck]

It’s statistics dude. You just said it yourself. The chances of an UDFA being the next Gates is an outlier. Gates, who I remind you, was horrible his rookie season. Otherwise we should just hoard UDFA and trade all our other picks. Expectations are higher for a 1st rounder than a 5th rounder. Especially a 5th rounder only one year. It’s called patience. If they were ready to start right away, they would have been drafted earlier.

There are ways to increase your chances of success. As far as I'm concerned Pip will be fine for at least a swing tackle which is useful. It seems to me he's (PIP) highly motivated for a bigger payday. It really comes down to Motivation and the desire to put the work in for determining who will most likely be a success or failure. Jaimes has had a season to beef up and learn the playbook. If he's slow witted and not motivated he will be a failure. It's that simple. Maybe goes on the practice squad for another year but after that if he hasn't progressed largely it's time to move on. I have higher expectations for Salyer vs. Jaimes at this point in time and lose no sleep over this one way or another.

:cartman:

[Xenos]

There are ways to increase your chances of success. As far as I'm concerned Pip will be fine for at least a swing tackle which is useful. It seems to me he's (PIP) highly motivated for a bigger payday. It really comes down to Motivation and the desire to put the work in for determining who will most likely be a success or failure. Jaimes has had a season to beef up and learn the playbook. If he's slow witted and not motivated he will be a failure. It's that simple. Maybe goes on the practice squad for another year but after that if he hasn't progressed largely it's time to move on. I have higher expectations for Salyer vs. Jaimes at this point in time and lose no sleep over this one way or another.

:cartman:

I just think your way of looking at things is wrong and short sighted. And this goes beyond just Jaimes.

[gzubeck]

I just think your way of looking at things is wrong and short sighted. And this goes beyond just Jaimes.

In the long run were all Dead! LOL!

So was Staley short sighted for revamping the defense? Looks like he's done even more for improving the oline here as well. I'm sorry were on a timeline to get to mars before we all die.

:cheers:

[Xenos]

In the long run were all Dead! LOL!

So was Staley short sighted for revamping the defense? Looks like he's done even more for improving the oline here as well. I'm sorry were on a timeline to get to mars before we all die.

:cheers:

One year is not that long. And with the defense, it was guys who have been here longer than that and played under a different defensive scheme. Jaimes was drafted under Staley.

[Boltjolt]

It’s statistics dude. You just said it yourself. The chances of an UDFA being the next Gates is an outlier. Gates, who I remind you, was horrible his rookie season. Otherwise we should just hoard UDFA and trade all our other picks. Expectations are higher for a 1st rounder than a 5th rounder. Especially a 5th rounder only one year. It’s called patience. If they were ready to start right away, they would have been drafted earlier.

Gates rookie season it was only him and Justin Peele who was a second year TE.

Our TEs had 40 receptions that season and Gates emerged as the guy in season 2 and was a pretty damn good one.

[gzubeck]

One year is not that long. And with the defense, it was guys who have been here longer than that and played under a different defensive scheme. Jaimes was drafted under Staley.

Doesn't mean he couldn't have drafted a lemon in the 5th round. As a first year head coach he probably didn't have as much time with the GM in evaluations here. All I'm saying is yeah give Jaimes another year in development and if there is zero improvement don't waste any more time. Two years of evaluation should be enough time for any person to come up with a conclusion on speed of development and if it's worthwhile. If anything, you should be giving me credit for save the PIP bandwagon. 90% of the board wanted to dump Pip and I said he was wasted under Lynn and we should have a wait and see for a third year.

opcorn:

[Xenos]

Gates rookie season it was only him and Justin Peele who was a second year TE.

Our TEs had 40 receptions that season and Gates emerged as the guy in season 2 and was a pretty damn good one.

But you understand my point right?

[Xenos]

Doesn't mean he couldn't have drafted a lemon in the 5th round. As a first year head coach he probably didn't have as much time with the GM in evaluations here. All I'm saying is yeah give Jaimes another year in development and if there is zero improvement don't waste any more time. Two years of evaluation should be enough time for any person to come up with a conclusion on speed of development and if it's worthwhile. If anything, you should be giving me credit for save the PIP bandwagon. 90% of the board wanted to dump Pip and I said he was wasted under Lynn and we should have a wait and see for a third year.

opcorn:

Jaimes is under a cheap rookie deal for three more years. Maybe he’ll become something. And maybe he won’t. There’s no need to cut him unless you have a legitimately better option on the team. We finally have decent depth on the OL. Why would you want to mess with that?

[chargeroo]

Assuming everyone on the OL is healthy, why would they cut Jaimes? He’s a 5th rounder. That screams backup. If he becomes anything more than it’s a bonus.

I agree. The idea is to build up the depth, not start cutting guys. If we can find guys in the latter rounds that are decent back-ups we should keep them. For instance Jaimes has a small salary and he has learned the system here, that's just what you want in your back-ups.

[Boltjolt]

But you understand my point right?

Yep, just saying not many UDFAs are a Antonio Gates. And Gates needed work but only had to be better than Peele.
Gates had 24 receptions, Peele had 16.