2022 Training Camp Thread

[sonorajim]

Rountree is wasted roster spot. If three ain’t enough and I’m including Horvath @ FB then nobody is accountable. Like depth in secondary and in the trenches not RB
:stirringshit:

Let's watch preseason games.
Ek & Spiller are locks. Kelley, Rountree, Marks, Brown & Horvath will get some snaps vs to the ground contact.
just a guy is meaningless, talking about extra depth at a position. they have to be a better player. could be STs.
10 DBs, 4 Edge, 6 DL, 5 LBs
3QB, 5 RB/ FB, 5 WR, 3 TE, 9 OL 3 Specialists
It may get juggled a little, not much.

[Hadl2Alworth]

I'm always amazed how the 49ers can find plug and play RBs anywhere and turn them into 1k yard backs. Last season it was rookie Elijah Mitchell, a 6th round 5-10, 200 lb RB out of Louisiana University who by all rights should not be any better than Kelley. But as a rookie he gained 963 yds on 4.7 ypc and scored 6 total TDs. Maybe with a further upgraded OL, the Chargers can help make Kelley that type of player.

I really liked what I saw of Kelley in college. He seemed explosive there. And now I'm reading that he has more explosiveness at the pro level finally. This could be very good.

[Topcat]

I had him as the 2nd best Guard (Kenyon Green) I believe Jeremiah also had him as #2. The report above has him at #11. Huge difference! It kind of demonstrates why we should let our own eyes rate prospects - the pundits seldom agree with each other.

It may help to know that NFL Draft Buzz lumps all the O-linemen together in their rankings. So, Zion's #11 overall ranking was including all the OT's, G and C. He was actually the #3 ranked G overall, after Green and Raimann, so pretty close to your ranking. Also interesting to note that Zion had a better pass pro ranking than Green. Green was ranked #5 overall for O-linemen:

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https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Kenyon-Green-OL-TexasAANDM

[Topcat]

My issue with kelley has always been from the neck up, bonehead plays, unnecessarily hurdling people with zero benefit, not following blocks, just god awful instincts, running into tacklers he could’ve attempted to run around, not being patient, not setting up blocks, stupid desperation leaps from 6 yards out and fumbling like a complete nincompoop etc…even he completely roids himself out of his mind he’s still going to be one of the worst decision making RBs I’ve ever seen. He already had the physical tools to be successful so I’ll be looking to see if he finally settled down and learned how to run, if the light finally came on he could have a decent season.

Yep...like that goal line hurdle exposing the rock which he fumbled...if he can clean up some of these mental mistakes, AND show a better burst and vision, that would be nice...

[Fleet 1]

Great stuff thanks guys.

[eaterfan]

Why are you disappointed that everyone is commenting that Kelly is much better than his prior two seasons? Don’t wander off into RT land and making up random numbers and start multiplying them together - stick with your statement that you’re disappointed that Kelly is reported to have significantly improved. Why?

edit: apologies, you asked me questions which I didn’t answer. I was kidding about HOF, it was a hyperbolic counterpoint hypothesis to your factless hypothesis that if they are playing equal that means something bad. Now - why are you disappointed?

I'm not disappointed in the RB situation nearly as much as the RT situation. I hope Kelly had improved and he's separated himself from Roundtree in camp so far so I believe it's possible he did improve. Sorry if I didn't make it more clear in my post.

I was focusing on the Norton and Pipkins part of your post and why people were disappointed neither has taken the lead yet.

[Steve]

I think instead of focus on one taking the lead or not, it should be if either of them has improved to the point they aren't a liability. I have seen training camp battles in the past where neither guy emerges, just one but occasionally, rarely, both will step up.

But besides, who really cares if it takes part or all of camp for one of them to distance themselves. In the end, it is about forcing them to develop as players through the competition. And if it takes all of TC for the competition to work itself out, so be it. That just means that the loser is potentiall that much the better for it, since they were performing at almost the level of the starter.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I think instead of focus on one taking the lead or not, it should be if either of them has improved to the point they aren't a liability. I have seen training camp battles in the past where neither guy emerges, just one but occasionally, rarely, both will step up.

But besides, who really cares if it takes part or all of camp for one of them to distance themselves. In the end, it is about forcing them to develop as players through the competition. And if it takes all of TC for the competition to work itself out, so be it. That just means that the loser is potentiall that much the better for it, since they were performing at almost the level of the starter.

Valid points, all.

We'll see something for ourselves-- finally-- on Saturday vs. the Rams.

[Heatmiser]

I give Kelley credit for working hard at getting better in the off season. Kid wants it no doubt.

I don't know if he will play better this season or not. But it is really hard to watch his mini-presser and not root for the guy. He really comes across well.

TG

[Topcat]

I think instead of focus on one taking the lead or not, it should be if either of them has improved to the point they aren't a liability. I have seen training camp battles in the past where neither guy emerges, just one but occasionally, rarely, both will step up.

But besides, who really cares if it takes part or all of camp for one of them to distance themselves. In the end, it is about forcing them to develop as players through the competition. And if it takes all of TC for the competition to work itself out, so be it. That just means that the loser is potentiall that much the better for it, since they were performing at almost the level of the starter.

Ha...good one, but good point...from bad to mediocre = improvement...

[Steve]

Valid points, all.

We'll see something for ourselves-- finally-- on Saturday vs. the Rams.

This Saturday MAY show something, but since teams don't game plan and a lot of starters aren't going to be playing, it may only show if they are NOT up to the challenge. Even if they play well, it just means they are one step closer to being ready. But one step closer (like Topcat asserts) may not be good enough. We will have to wait and see.

[Topcat]

This Saturday MAY show something, but since teams don't game plan and a lot of starters aren't going to be playing, it may only show if they are NOT up to the challenge. Even if they play well, it just means they are one step closer to being ready. But one step closer (like Topcat asserts) may not be good enough. We will have to wait and see.

Remember that these preseason games are played more for player evaluation than to win. No doubt Staley would like to win, but he wants to get a feel for individual performances, how well they match up vs. opposing players, and how well they fit his scheme. Also, a lot of evaluation going on for players on the bubble. Do we cut them or not? Do we stash them on the PS?