Chargers @ Cardinals Pregame Thread (Week 12)

[jubei]

Meet Payton demands there are way better chances(like 1000 times better) that he creates a winner than Telesco/Staley.
Winner - more value to franchise - more $$ for Spanos.

Just buzz his return create is worth it, media will be all over Payton & Herbert lovestory.

Pay the man - it is just investment.

then the nfl will love the chargers cuz they have a legit coach. and that means BS holding calls on Derwin wont be called in the last minute of a close game to swing the advantage to the other side.

[Boltgang74]

then the nfl will love the chargers cuz they have a legit coach. and that means BS holding calls on Derwin wont be called in the last minute of a close game to swing the advantage to the other side.

FACTS

[Topcat]

KA can spell MW this game, then if KA aggravates his hamstring, MW can spell KA next week. Sit him.

That's called "Wideout Gimp Musical Chairs"...ugh...

[Charge!]

then the nfl will love the chargers cuz they have a legit coach. and that means BS holding calls on Derwin wont be called in the last minute of a close game to swing the advantage to the other side.

agree, but wont happen because:

....of the money $$$$....player money is limited by cap but coaches money comes out of spanos profits, not the required cap......

....and even if Payton were cheap or free, Spanos will never let the GM or HC make all the decisions..... on coaches, players, etc..... he only hires weak nice yes men.... Spanois does not hire bad people just bad coaches.... Great coaches like Payton or Reid or Bellycheat make all the decisions....

[CivilBolt]

then the nfl will love the chargers cuz they have a legit coach. and that means BS holding calls on Derwin wont be called in the last minute of a close game to swing the advantage to the other side.

And the blatant Callahan push off that gave the Chefs 18 yards.

[CivilBolt]

FACTS

Wait wasn’t Payton the coach when the refs didn’t call an obvious PI towards the end of the NFC championship game against the Rams?

[sonorajim]

agree, but wont happen because:

....of the money $$$$....player money is limited by cap but coaches money comes out of spanos profits, not the required cap......

....and even if Payton were cheap or free, Spanos will never let the GM or HC make all the decisions..... on coaches, players, etc..... he only hires weak nice yes men.... Spanois does not hire bad people just bad coaches.... Great coaches like Payton or Reid or Bellycheat make all the decisions....

Newby?
AJ Smith was an ill tempered "my way or the highway" pushy ass hat. Marty was a top quality regular season coach who went 14-2 and AJ fired him.
Staley chose most of our FAs, coaches, trainers, etc and had strong influence of the draft.
For the most part, he & TT run this team.
Odds are excellent that if TT made a strong move to to hire Payton, complete with graphs of why Staley is the weak link, what Payton wants, what the Saints want, why TT believes it's the highway to the S B, Dean would rubber stamp it. Assuming it's financially viable.

[jamrock]

I guess we won’t have MW for this game. Shame

[Topcat]

Wait wasn’t Payton the coach when the refs didn’t call an obvious PI towards the end of the NFC championship game against the Rams?

LA is a bigger market than New Orleans...

[sonorajim]

I guess we won’t have MW for this game. Shame

We shouldn't need him. Ari has weak pass D, near last scoring D.

[QSmokey]

Totally agree that wins = money.
Currently Chargers have an NFL top 5 roster - less injuries assembled by Telesco & Staley..
I have questions about coordinators.
Regardless, no chance I''d give up on this season before it's over.

It's not over?

[QSmokey]

I've come to the conclusion that the Spanoses are who they are, and to expect change from them is futile. They are never going to drop a boatload of bread on a guy like Payton and turn over control of the team to him. This franchise is run like a family business, and it will always be this way as long as the Spanoses own it.

The key to not losing your mind as a Chargers fan is to accept these facts. John Spanos is here to stay and so is Telesco, most likely. If you find this unacceptable, I advise you to find another team to be a fan of.

If you choose to remain a fan, instead of whining and crying all the time, you will have to buy into Telesco and Staley. This is reality. Again, if you just can't do it, I advise you to find another team. Telesco is not perfect, he's definitely made some questionable decisions and acquisitions, some of his picks have been atrocious, but he's hit on his share too. Herbert, Slater, James, Bosa, Mike Will, Keenan Allen. Staley without question was not ready to be a head coach in the NFL. He was in over his head last season. But he did manage to win nine out of 17 games.

As a fan of the Chargers, you have to put your faith into Telesco and Staley that they will learn from their mistakes and improve. There are signs this team is starting to turn a corner. It's true the Chargers haven't beaten a winning team this season, but they aren't getting dominated and blown out by elite teams either. You have to believe that at some point everything the Telesco/Staley are trying to do is going start working, this teams is going to click, and suddenly everything starts falling into place. It could happen this season, if the Chargers get into the post-season with key players back from injury, any thing can happen.

If you don't buy into this, that is your prerogative. But this is what it is, and it's not going to change. It's going to be Staley/Telesco for awhile and John Spanos forever. My advice to you if you just can't accept it, or you have too much anger from perceived past ineptitude, the best thing for your mental health is to quit the Chargers altogether. We'll all be happier and better for it.

And those that *do* buy into it seem to be content with a continuation of the last 30+ years of that culture of failure. It may surprise you to know that there are others who would like to see it change and root for a franchise that is successful.

Pollyannas are a funny group.