Tuli Tuipulotu, Edge USC Discussion

[Factotum]

I am not one saying that his team is the side which is asking too much but merely highlighting that could be the case in addition to the other scenarios, i.e, the FO offering too little.

let’s just cut through the chase and stake our own markets so to speak. Here is my position:

If the FO is offering sub Oweh contract and up to even matching Oweh’s 25 Mils annually, I will be siding with Tuli’s team. However if the FO is coming in at slightly sub 30 M but the Tuli team is asking for Maxx or Nick kinda contract, I’ll be siding with our FO.

Personally I just feel and speculate that the latter scenario is the most likely scenario but I have no evidence other than knowing that the FT value for next year will be ~ 30M. I think that if they structure it so that Tuli gets north of 30 to place him in the top 10 Edge earners, just below Nick’s, this would be an ideal outcome. Mayne sprinkle some incentives in there for Tuli to hit some more targets while he has Mack on the other side:

[Riverwalk]

Tuli is 23 and a proven stud Edge. Akeem is 25 and unproven.

As far as we know, that’s the core future of the Edge room 2027 and beyond.

Tuli is holding a Royal Straight Flush. The Chargers can’t bluff that and should stop pretending they can.

[dmac_bolt]

My question for the "sign him up now before the price goes up" advocates: what if the asking price by Tuli's management is north of say Maxx's already? We have no clue as to what is being asked and what is being offered so naturally the onus and the blame is being put at the feet of Joe Hortiz. The only facts which we know for certain are these: the price of Franchise Tag for top Edge and that they really want to keep Tuli. Whatever the minor hang up was that caused the brief hold-in was resolved quickly and Tulu will be playing this season.

Obviously it is to everyone's benefit for this contact to be worked out sooner than later and I believe that if there was a huge chasm between ask and offer if Hortiz was being unconscionably cheap, Tuli would have been a hold out already.

Maxx’s AAV is $35M - i think thats around the right price as he is ascending, and he is a 3-down full service Edge. What I don’t know is if his agent is looking for $40M+ like more recent Edge players got (HOU guy Anderson bagged $50M per), for how many years, and how much guaranteed.

The dominant assumption in TPB is it’s Joe’s fault a deal isn’t done yet. Beats the hell out of me, nobody knows either side of the negotiation so that is purely a predisposed bias imho. Biases are normal human - not trying to disparage, we all have biases. We discriminate in almost every decision we make every day. Discrimination, done properly, is good, intelligent - it keeps us off the Darwin Awards list. Sometimes discrimination is unfounded and therefore wrong or even bad (racism, for example, is evil).

[dmac_bolt]

I am not one saying that his team is the side which is asking too much but merely highlighting that could be the case in addition to the other scenarios, i.e, the FO offering too little.

let’s just cut through the chase and stake our own markets so to speak. Here is my position:

If the FO is offering sub Oweh contract and up to even matching Oweh’s 25 Mils annually, I will be siding with Tuli’s team. However if the FO is coming in at slightly sub 30 M but the Tuli team is asking for Maxx or Nick kinda contract, I’ll be siding with our FO.

Personally I just feel and speculate that the latter scenario is the most likely scenario but I have no evidence other than knowing that the FT value for next year will be ~ 30M. I think that if they structure it so that Tuli gets north of 30 to place him in the top 10 Edge earners, just below Nick’s, this would be an ideal outcome. Mayne sprinkle some incentives in there for Tuli to hit some more targets while he has Mack on the other side:

My view of the fair deal is between 30 and 35 too. Perhaps closer to 30, idunno. 35 is my top end I could live with if I was Joe but not a full $140M guarantee, I’d want an out after 2 years. That also could be a sticking point - the %guarantee.

[BigBad]

Myles Garrett will make the Rams a SUPER TEAM! They might go UNDEFEATED!!!!


Please pay attention to the most overrated position in sports...edge.

If you overpay them, you will be sorry. The following guys have been the best the last few years, and their teams, including their defense, suck anyway

Myles Garrett
Trey Hendrickson
Max Crosby
Micah Parsons - who, despite the media hate, the Cowboys made the correct decision.

You can scheme against the position and mitigate the issues the cause. I'd take an elite interior defender over an edge any day.

[jubei]

Myles Garrett will make the Rams a SUPER TEAM! They might go UNDEFEATED!!!!


Please pay attention to the most overrated position in sports...edge.

If you overpay them, you will be sorry. The following guys have been the best the last few years, and their teams, including their defense, suck anyway

Myles Garrett
Trey Hendrickson
Max Crosby
Micah Parsons - who, despite the media hate, the Cowboys made the correct decision.

You can scheme against the position and mitigate the issues the cause. I'd take an elite interior defender over an edge any day.

like an Aaron Donald?

[Factotum]

Myles Garrett will make the Rams a SUPER TEAM! They might go UNDEFEATED!!!!


Please pay attention to the most overrated position in sports...edge.

If you overpay them, you will be sorry. The following guys have been the best the last few years, and their teams, including their defense, suck anyway

Myles Garrett
Trey Hendrickson
Max Crosby
Micah Parsons - who, despite the media hate, the Cowboys made the correct decision.

You can scheme against the position and mitigate the issues the cause. I'd take an elite interior defender over an edge any day.

BB, I am on the same page with you on most of your post, specially overpaying an Edge FA in his later NFL years. Micah was not in that category age wise but I was very set against us making such type moves (not that we even had the wherewithal for Micah) because we all have seen this movie way too often. All that said, I am all for paying Tuli because he is still very young, he is ascending and he is an organic product on this team not an FA.

I still remain of the personal opinion that the hold up is in his management team asking too much, not for our FO offering too little. If someone can convince me that our FO is offering < 25 Mils and his team is asking ~ 30 Mils, I'll eat my opinion. My opinion is that as of now, the FO is offering Tuli something to the effect of ~ 30 Mils when spread out and that his team is asking for quite a bit more (37.5-40 being my guess). I think that the impasse is hinged on, well show me, and if this is the case, this will linger on for a bit longer.

[dmac_bolt]

like an Aaron Donald?

a prime AD, absolutely a game wrecker. Best in at least one generation if not multiple. Not sure about 38 yo AD though, since we haven't seen him.

I wouldn't write Myles off just yet. Noting he and few others were on losers doesn't prove anything imho - no one player can save a horrible team and I don't think it proves the value of elite Edge play at all.

[Factotum]

a prime AD, absolutely a game wrecker. Best in at least one generation if not multiple. Not sure about 38 yo AD though, since we haven't seen him.

I wouldn't write Myles off just yet. Noting he and few others were on losers doesn't prove anything imho - no one player can save a horrible team and I don't think it proves the value of elite Edge play at all.

I agree on the points made but just one correction. AD is actually 35 years of age who is exactly 3 months younger than Mack but Mack is most likely in better football shape going into the season although I don't recall him taking any parts in the PS.

[BigBad]

Noting he and few others were on losers doesn't prove anything imho - no one player can save a horrible team and I don't think it proves the value of elite Edge play at all.

In the era of not being able to hit the QB, the fear of being blindsided by a gigantic edge is gone from the QB's mind. So even the "almost got there" times by these edge guys don't do much.

QB's and offenses can deal with one guy causing "havoc". What they struggle with is changeups and never knowing where the pressure is coming from. It's why McDonald, Minter, etc. call great defenses. IMO, if I'm paying any stud on d, it's up the up-the-middle guys. NT, MLB, safety. Get those three right and your defense can dominate.

Jamal
Seau
Harrison

Siragusa/Nata
Ray Lewis
Ed Reed

[Whydachargers?]

Bump….

Cant believe Tuli, on the last year of his contract and FA in 2027 is still unsigned.

Hypothetically, Messidor could end up a JAG, Mack and Dupree retire in 2027, and Tuli decides after a couple weeks of stellar play this season it would be much more lucrative to go FA after this season and have everyone bidding on him with a multi year record setting fully guaranteed contract.

That would leave the Chargers with the worst edge room in the league.

Why in world is he not signed? This is nuts!!

I have to wonder if it's about Tuli's hip.

[BigBad]

This didn’t age well.

Did you actually read my post?