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[Boltjolt]

Maybe, it’s a pretty informative show. One of the guys on the show is Judd Zulgad ( what a name!) who worked in the media for a number of years at some of the big sports news outlets in Minneapolis. Hes a columnist. He’s pretty tuned into the sports teams up there and has contacts at a number of teams. He’s actually better than any of the Chargers podcasters. That show isn’t bad at all it’s pretty funny at times too. Their mantra is, “We just want to watch the Vikings win a SB before we fucking die”.
They have some pretty good tales. There’s three guys and the youngest guy has some bad takes but the other two are really goody actually and I’ve listened to them fairly regularly because they are so up to speed, day to day on the whole draft process for MIN which may directly involve the Chargers.

The reason they were saying QBs were telling NE they did not want to play there was because even though BB is gone, the new regime is from his era. Yes, there has been changes but they are a tire fire on offense. And any QB who goes there will be in for a total rebuild with a HC who’s never done this.
Where would you rather go? A defensive minded HC who’s new to the job, or a veteran HC who’s an offensive, QB guru? Like say the NYG? Who also don’t have a great roster but they a lot of the pieces already in place and a really good QB HC.

Seems.to be a theme with hard luck teams. I been saying that often myself, about the Chargers and Padres.

And it is nice when you find a good podcast. I tend to just watch ...when I watch....Cowherd, and NFL Network or NFL live in ESPN or sometimes Pat McAfee.

None of the Charger podcasters do much for me. I'll watch Popper on YouTube when he is live.
But for real info it's the credible guys on Twitter....who frequent McAfees show for me. And, weird. ...not one thing ive heard on NE and QBs saying not to draft them.

We( our team) have HCs in the league all the time that never done this lol. Til now.

There are like 7 new HCs this season. 5 of the 7 are rookie HCs....and yes I'm still counting Pierce. 2 rookie HCs last year.
Quinn has done it once before. 4 or 5 others are second year HCs.

BB and McDaniels aren't there or Patricia . .. so it shouldn't be that bad.

[Topcat]

The Vikings #11 and #23 is worth 2010 points.
The Giants #6 and #47 is worth 2030 points.

Are you saying that Nabers +20 points is worth MHJ...?
I'm not buying that.

I'd rather have #11 and #23...

[SuperChargedRodney37]

I'd rather have #11 and #23...

The Chargers want more than #11 and #23 from the Vikings to move off of #5. Vikings need to add 2025 1st round pick which the Vikings won't do.
So far, the Vikings haven't been willing to move off of their 2025 1st for the Cardinals let alone the extreme overpayment that would be to the Chargers. (#11 & #23 are technically an overpayment by the Vikings equivalent to a late 2nd round pick)

Everybody keeps focusing on the Vikings picks as if these things are facts:
1. The Vikings are that desperate for QB
2. Vikings think Maye/McCarthy are that much better than a Penix/Nix
3. If Vikings think Maye/McCarthy are that much better than Penix/Nix (in terms of value), they are willing to sacrifice the majority of their 2025 draft capital in 2024 thus making it extremely difficult to build a teams vital pieces around said 2024 QB when they are ready to start in 2025.
4. The Chargers have MHJ so far above Nabers/Odunze on their board that #11 & #23 are more valuable to them.
5. The Chargers don't have Nabers/Odunze as their #2/3 players on their board period and said player @11 has more value to them than Nabers/Odunze
6. The Chargers are desperate to get an additional 1st in 2024 and value a player there that they don't feel will be there at #37.
7. The Chargers new regime doesn't feel the "positional value" for Premium Positions at tremendous cap-controlled team friendly cost matters as much.

See, in order for the Vikings trade to happen. It can't just be one of these things are true or a couple are true. ALL these things listed have to be true.

[Boltnut]

I'd rather have #11 and #23...

#11 and #23 are gold. Most years, the true 1st rounders end around pick #20. This year, you could have true 1st rounders into the high 20's. The possibilities @#23 this year are very good.

My #23 cluster:
CB Kool-Aid McKinstry
LB Edgerrin Cooper
CB/S Cooper DeJean
OT Amarius Mims (although, I think he goes higher)
WR Keon Coleman
DE Chop Robinson

IMO, all of these guys are 1st rounders... and they probably won't be there @#37

@#37 there are some real nice prospects, too. The DT class probably starts coming off the board in the late 1st round... and very good DT's will last until the late 2nd round (maybe early 3rd round).

[Topcat]

The Chargers want more than #11 and #23 from the Vikings to move off of #5. Vikings need to add 2025 1st round pick which the Vikings won't do.
So far, the Vikings haven't been willing to move off of their 2025 1st for the Cardinals let alone the extreme overpayment that would be to the Chargers. (#11 & #23 are technically an overpayment by the Vikings equivalent to a late 2nd round pick)

Everybody keeps focusing on the Vikings picks as if these things are facts:
1. The Vikings are that desperate for QB
2. Vikings think Maye/McCarthy are that much better than a Penix/Nix
3. If Vikings think Maye/McCarthy are that much better than Penix/Nix (in terms of value), they are willing to sacrifice the majority of their 2025 draft capital in 2024 thus making it extremely difficult to build a teams vital pieces around said 2024 QB when they are ready to start in 2025.
4. The Chargers have MHJ so far above Nabers/Odunze on their board that #11 & #23 are more valuable to them.
5. The Chargers don't have Nabers/Odunze as their #2/3 players on their board period and said player @11 has more value to them than Nabers/Odunze
6. The Chargers are desperate to get an additional 1st in 2024 and value a player there that they don't feel will be there at #37.
7. The Chargers new regime doesn't feel the "positional value" for Premium Positions at tremendous cap-controlled team friendly cost matters as much.

See, in order for the Vikings trade to happen. It can't just be one of these things are true or a couple are true. ALL these things listed have to be true.

If I'm Trader Joe, I tell the Vikes I want: #11, #23, next year's #1 and one of the Vikes' 4th rounders this year. After negotiations are done, I think the Vikes settle on all of the above, but instead of next year's 1st rounder, agree to next year's 2nd rounder, and we swap our 6th rounder for their 4th rounder. That's actually doable.

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[Boltnut]

The Chargers want more than #11 and #23 from the Vikings to move off of #5. Vikings need to add 2025 1st round pick which the Vikings won't do.
So far, the Vikings haven't been willing to move off of their 2025 1st for the Cardinals let alone the extreme overpayment that would be to the Chargers. (#11 & #23 are technically an overpayment by the Vikings equivalent to a late 2nd round pick)

Everybody keeps focusing on the Vikings picks as if these things are facts:
1. The Vikings are that desperate for QB
2. Vikings think Maye/McCarthy are that much better than a Penix/Nix
3. If Vikings think Maye/McCarthy are that much better than Penix/Nix (in terms of value), they are willing to sacrifice the majority of their 2025 draft capital in 2024 thus making it extremely difficult to build a teams vital pieces around said 2024 QB when they are ready to start in 2025.
4. The Chargers have MHJ so far above Nabers/Odunze on their board that #11 & #23 are more valuable to them.
5. The Chargers don't have Nabers/Odunze as their #2/3 players on their board period and said player @11 has more value to them than Nabers/Odunze
6. The Chargers are desperate to get an additional 1st in 2024 and value a player there that they don't feel will be there at #37.
7. The Chargers new regime doesn't feel the "positional value" for Premium Positions at tremendous cap-controlled team friendly cost matters as much.

See, in order for the Vikings trade to happen. It can't just be one of these things are true or a couple are true. ALL these things listed have to be true.

That is complete conjecture. The Vikings traded this year's 2nd rounder and next year's 2nd rounder to move up to #23. They didn't do that without exploring possible trade partners and/or considering what other QB-hungry teams might have to out-bid them.

The #11 and #23 picks are 310 points higher than the #5 pick.
Next year's 2nd rounder is worth... get this... around 310 points (Houston's #59 pick).

Don't be surprised if Hortiz is real happy to get this deal... with or without any additional picks.

As for your "Vikings facts"...

1) I think it's fair to say that the Vikings want a QB. Are they desperate enough to give up a 2025 1st round pick...? No. Otherwise, the Arizona deal would be done by now. But without a QB, the talents of Justin Jefferson and TJ Holkenson are being wasted.

2) Everybody thinks Maye and McCarthy are better than Nix and Penix. There is no controversy here.

3) As I've said before... if the Vikings valued Maye/McCarthy enough... the deal would be done with AZ already.

4) Everybody has MHJ above Nabers/Odunze. The Cardinals. The Chargers. The Giants... everyone.

5) Everything I know about Hortiz/Harbaugh/Roman leads me to believe that Joe Alt is probably sandwiched in between Nabers/Odunze. He might even be valued higher. You won't believe it. The sports writers won't believe it... but Harbaugh & Boys believe it. They made sure to meet with Joe Alt during the combine... and it wasn't because they thought he'd be there @#11.

6) Getting another pick @#23 is truly getting another 1st round pick... which is not always the case. #23, #37, and #69 allow them to rebuild their defense. Nobody around here seems to want to talk about defense. But Michigan rode the #1 defense to a National Title last year. I can guarantee you that Harbaugh & Boys are thinking about defense. The whole NFL should be thinking about defense. The #1, #2, and #3 defenses were 3 of the last 4 teams standing last year.

7) Your idea of a premium player and our coach's idea of a premium player are worlds apart. Coach Bischoff called the offense OL-Centric.

[gzubeck]

The Vikings #11 and #23 is worth 2010 points.
The Giants #6 and #47 is worth 2030 points.

Are you saying that Nabers +20 points is worth MHJ...?
I'm not buying that.

You guys are missing the point...If AZ picks MH2 then we have the option to trade with whoever...Minnesota or Giants. I was just stating that rather than trading with Minny I would trade with Giants for a second and still get Nabers.

[Boltnut]

You guys are missing the point...If AZ picks MH2 then we have the option to trade with whoever...Minnesota or Giants. I was just stating that rather than trading with Minny I would trade with Giants for a second and still get Nabers.

I think you and I agree about Arizona. I'm 99% sure they draft MHJ.
Where you and I disagree is who they are targeting in the 1st round.
The whole program will be built around the OL. OL-Centric, as their coaches call it.

The #11 pick is perfect for the best run-blocking OT in the draft (Fuaga). The better 2nd pick (#23) is just the cherry on top.
If they can get the best run-blocker @#11... and 1st round defensive talent @#23... I think it's a slam dunk.

[blueman]

You guys are missing the point...If AZ picks MH2 then we have the option to trade with whoever...Minnesota or Giants. I was just stating that rather than trading with Minny I would trade with Giants for a second and still get Nabers.

Swap out Odunze for Nabers, I’m with ya.

[blueman]

I think you and I agree about Arizona. I'm 99% sure they draft MHJ.
Where you and I disagree is who they are targeting in the 1st round.
The whole program will be built around the OL. OL-Centric, as their coaches call it.

The #11 pick is perfect for the best run-blocking OT in the draft (Fuaga). The better 2nd pick (#23) is just the cherry on top.
If they can get the best run-blocker @#11... and 1st round defensive talent @#23... I think it's a slam dunk.

Maybe. Maybe not. Very tempting, wonder if that’s how it goes down…

[Lone Bolt]

#11 and #23 are gold. Most years, the true 1st rounders end around pick #20. This year, you could have true 1st rounders into the high 20's. The possibilities @#23 this year are very good.

My #23 cluster:
CB Kool-Aid McKinstry
LB Edgerrin Cooper
CB/S Cooper DeJean
OT Amarius Mims (although, I think he goes higher)
WR Keon Coleman
DE Chop Robinson

IMO, all of these guys are 1st rounders... and they probably won't be there @#37

@#37 there are some real nice prospects, too. The DT class probably starts coming off the board in the late 1st round... and very good DT's will last until the late 2nd round (maybe early 3rd round).

Keon Coleman? I get it...looks suited to our system...should be better at run blocking, but we can fix that. Big physical receiver, high point specialist...starter AND special team ace...doesnt think he is too good to do the dirty chores...but #23? Thats where you lost me. If he goes before 37, Ill eat my hat. I think you should probably pull the trigger in the second if you love him, but in this class, he may last to the third...no need to reach at 23, IMO.

[blueman]

Keon Coleman? I get it...looks suited to our system...should be better at run blocking, but we can fix that. Big physical receiver, high point specialist...starter AND special team ace...doesnt think he is too good to do the dirty chores...but #23? Thats where you lost me. If he goes before 37, Ill eat my hat. I think you should probably pull the trigger in the second if you love him, but in this class, he may last to the third...no need to reach at 23, IMO.

But, but…GOLD.