2024 Chargers News | Acquisitions | Transactions | Injuries

[Bolt4Knob]

If they are looking at a QB then id guess not. They do not have a replacement for Stafford. Just depends on how they see that situtaion. If not then you may be right but id be stunned and estatic to get a first for him.

I think Hortiz would be pretty happy with a 2nd for Mack - -if they are open to trading him. Hell he might take a 3rd. . I think the below from Spiegelberger lays out the case of the value of Khalil Mack. If the 2025 pick is conditional, meaning if the Lions play improves the pick, not opposed to it. Which version of Khalil Mack are you getting - the 2023 or the 2022 or Brad points out, somewhere in between,. Mack also has a bonus due the 5th day of the league year. If Detroit is willing to pay for the Chargers to pay that - might be worth a bit of cap space to improve the draft pick. Otherwise, Mack will be decided in Mid March.


EDGE KHALIL MACK, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS → DETROIT LIONS

• Trade compensation: 2025 fourth-round pick
• Contract acquired: One year, $23.25 million (non-guaranteed)

This will be a tough needle to thread, much like DeAndre Hopkins last offseason, with the Arizona Cardinals ultimately having to just release the veteran wideout despite other teams having clear interest in his services. That interest comes at a price in this league, however, and Mack’s 2024 salary is exorbitant for a 33-year-old edge defender, even one coming off as strong a season as Mack’s 2023 campaign.

The challenge for Los Angeles will be convincing teams they are trading for the 2023 version of Mack and not what is more likely a player whose median expectation should fall somewhere between his past two seasons.

Khalil Mack	2023	2022
Pass-Rush Win Rate	18.2% (T-10th among EDGEs)	11.0% (55th)
Pressure Rate	17.3% (12th)	12.5% (43rd)
Pass-Rush Grade	86.3 (11th)	68.2 (48th)
Run Stops	33 (3rd)	13 (T-46th)

This trade would send Khalil Mack from an AFC West team to an NFC North team, familiar territory for the former Las Vegas Raiders draft pick turned Chicago Bear. Detroit and general manager Brad Holmes have done remarkably well to add young talent through the draft and came quite close to a Super Bowl appearance in 2023, and while they don’t want to get too aggressive with a bunch of key in-house extensions on the horizon, picking their spot in adding a savvy veteran difference-maker like Mack could push them over the edge.

Any team acquiring Mack would almost certainly have an extension in place as a part of the trade, with Mack perhaps pushing his way to free agency if he so desires by not engaging in such discussions, depending on the prospective suitor.

[Boltjolt]

Six years ago he was worth that to the Bears. But the Chargers are not in a position to be picky in terms of value. They have to make certain moves and teams know it.

They arent going to give them away either which seems to be your thing. Of course you think a 2025 4th is fair. You would accept a 6th or 7th this year just to lose the contract. Mack and Bosa have more value than you think they do or opposing fans and writers with no ties to us wouldnt be proposing higher trades.

If a 2025 pick is all i can get for Mack...maybe i do it, but im shooting for a pick this year and i think we will get offers. Maybe we keep him and trade Bosa ....who knows.

We'll see soon enough.

[Boltjolt]

did you really see 4.30 on his tape? I don't. I see a RB setting up blocks well, good patience to let the hole develop, good change of direction for a bigger RB, no doubt he is a good RB that would upgrade our RB room. But I do not see an extraordinary acceleration burst thru the hole on any plays (e.g. 1.54 10-yd split burst) and imo that is more valuable at NFL level then back-end "long speed".

and I didn't see 4.30 football speed on a single play on that tape - I confess I stopped watching about 1/2 - 2/3 of the way, maybe they saved his blazing speed plays for the end? I saw him caught from behind by college defenders several times where a defender might have a chance to get him or he had a chance to turn on a 4.30 burst and separate for good. Are those defenders running sub-4.30? yeah, no.

Wright? He has wheels. Is he a 4.3? IDK id guess 4.4 at worst. He pulls away from DBs pretty easlily. Benson 4.4 to 4.45?

Combine coming in 2 weeks.

[Bolt4Knob]

They arent going to give them away either which seems to be your thing. Of course you think a 2025 4th is fair. You would accept a 6th or 7th this year just to lose the contract. Mack and Bosa have more value than you think they do or opposing fans and writers with no ties to us wouldnt be proposing higher trades.

If a 2025 pick is all i can get for Mack...maybe i do it, but im shooting for a pick this year and i think we will get offers. Maybe we keep him and trade Bosa ....who knows.

We'll see soon enough.

If thats all they can get - I would take it
did you see the stats for Mack in 2022 -- guarantee you the rest of the league has noticed it and asked "what khalil mack are we getting?"

The Chargers do not have the leverage that other teams do when it comes to trades --- unless to prove a point you keep Mack, Allen and Bosa - push 50m of cap to the future out to the future, for what, pride. hurting your cap next year and in the future - yeah, thats a good business plan

it worked so well in 2023 didn't it. 5-12 season later. As I have stated, if Khalil Mack were a true free agent, and Harbaugh and Hortiz were taking over - do you think they would go out and sign Khalil Mack to his current contract at his age? I don't think they would

[beachcomber]

B4K you make salient points/arguments for consolidating resources & talent for beyond 2024, and.... the one writer volunteered the Cowboy's first rounder, and there is precedent for others of like ilk to yield first rounders.... you've got to ascertain accurate value to players to maximize draft capital & your cap.

[Bolt4Knob]

B4K you make salient points/arguments for consolidating resources & talent for beyond 2024, and.... the one writer volunteered the Cowboy's first rounder, and there is precedent for others of like ilk to yield first rounders.... you've got to ascertain accurate value to players to maximize draft capital & your cap.

I want to be wrong about the value for Mack or Bosa if they are traded. But I don't think they are going to get the 1st or 2nd that some have suggested - including the writer associated with the Cowboys. Deandre Hopkins was on the market last year and the Cardinals didn't get anything for him. I understand his 2022 season was not as good as Mack's 2023 season but still - what teams will be paying, at present Mack his $23m

Yes, the Chargers paid a 2nd/6th for Mack two years ago - but the Chargers were also very aggressive in FA signing JCJ, SJD, Austin Johnson, Everett. Telesco and Staley were on a mission so who knows what other teams were offering for Mack. Two years later -- hard to think his value is higher than what the Chargers paid.

And lastly -- if the price tag for Mack continues to be his current price tag (both for one year and multiple years)- the Chargers will have to push most of his contract to the future. If I am pushing cap - I think Wilkins or Madubuike are better targets at that price point at this time of their careers than paying Mack and hoping he doesn't decline or revert to 2022 form

[dmac_bolt]

Wright? He has wheels. Is he a 4.3? IDK id guess 4.4 at worst. He pulls away from DBs pretty easlily. Benson 4.4 to 4.45?

Combine coming in 2 weeks.

can you point to specific spots in that highlight video where he's running away from the defense like a 4.30 runner should? I wouldn't expect him to be constant 4.3 as he's doing the important thing of being patient and letting holes develop, working off blockers etc. But I honestly didn't see 4.3 breakaway speed in the first 2/3 of the video - I may have just missed it?

[dmac_bolt]

I want to be wrong about the value for Mack or Bosa if they are traded. But I don't think they are going to get the 1st or 2nd that some have suggested - including the writer associated with the Cowboys. Deandre Hopkins was on the market last year and the Cardinals didn't get anything for him. I understand his 2022 season was not as good as Mack's 2023 season but still - what teams will be paying, at present Mack his $23m

Yes, the Chargers paid a 2nd/6th for Mack two years ago - but the Chargers were also very aggressive in FA signing JCJ, SJD, Austin Johnson, Everett. Telesco and Staley were on a mission so who knows what other teams were offering for Mack. Two years later -- hard to think his value is higher than what the Chargers paid.

And lastly -- if the price tag for Mack continues to be his current price tag (both for one year and multiple years)- the Chargers will have to push most of his contract to the future. If I am pushing cap - I think Wilkins or Madubuike are better targets at that price point at this time of their careers than paying Mack and hoping he doesn't decline or revert to 2022 form

I dont' think they'd get a 1st either. 2nd? um, not sure about that. Too old, contracts are too short before they are FA and at high dollar values. But I also wouldn't trade them for a 5th or something - no 5th round edge rusher pick is coming in and doing much of shit for the team. JH2/EM can and will navigate the cap without stripping the roster imo because that is what Harbo wants - i think?

Its gonna be a couple months of uninformed speculations and guesses (in both directions) until April, and maybe beyond.

[jamrock]

The Chiefs 2022 draft was insane.

The Lions 2023 draft was insane.

The Chargers 2024 draft needs to be on the level of those 2

[Bolt4Knob]

The Chiefs 2022 draft was insane.

The Lions 2023 draft was insane.

The Chargers 2024 draft needs to be on the level of those 2

Look at the Lions drafts from 2021 - 2023.

2021: Sewell, the CB with the name not going to try, Amon Ra St Brown, a couple Dline

2022: Aidan, Pashcal, the LB Rodriguez, Jameson Williams, Kerby Joseph (sure a few leg injuries on tackles)

2023: nails

That is three years of building the roster..

[Topcat]

I think Hortiz would be pretty happy with a 2nd for Mack - -if they are open to trading him. Hell he might take a 3rd. . I think the below from Spiegelberger lays out the case of the value of Khalil Mack. If the 2025 pick is conditional, meaning if the Lions play improves the pick, not opposed to it. Which version of Khalil Mack are you getting - the 2023 or the 2022 or Brad points out, somewhere in between,. Mack also has a bonus due the 5th day of the league year. If Detroit is willing to pay for the Chargers to pay that - might be worth a bit of cap space to improve the draft pick. Otherwise, Mack will be decided in Mid March.


EDGE KHALIL MACK, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS → DETROIT LIONS

• Trade compensation: 2025 fourth-round pick
• Contract acquired: One year, $23.25 million (non-guaranteed)

This will be a tough needle to thread, much like DeAndre Hopkins last offseason, with the Arizona Cardinals ultimately having to just release the veteran wideout despite other teams having clear interest in his services. That interest comes at a price in this league, however, and Mack’s 2024 salary is exorbitant for a 33-year-old edge defender, even one coming off as strong a season as Mack’s 2023 campaign.

The challenge for Los Angeles will be convincing teams they are trading for the 2023 version of Mack and not what is more likely a player whose median expectation should fall somewhere between his past two seasons.

Khalil Mack	2023	2022
Pass-Rush Win Rate	18.2% (T-10th among EDGEs)	11.0% (55th)
Pressure Rate	17.3% (12th)	12.5% (43rd)
Pass-Rush Grade	86.3 (11th)	68.2 (48th)
Run Stops	33 (3rd)	13 (T-46th)

This trade would send Khalil Mack from an AFC West team to an NFC North team, familiar territory for the former Las Vegas Raiders draft pick turned Chicago Bear. Detroit and general manager Brad Holmes have done remarkably well to add young talent through the draft and came quite close to a Super Bowl appearance in 2023, and while they don’t want to get too aggressive with a bunch of key in-house extensions on the horizon, picking their spot in adding a savvy veteran difference-maker like Mack could push them over the edge.

Any team acquiring Mack would almost certainly have an extension in place as a part of the trade, with Mack perhaps pushing his way to free agency if he so desires by not engaging in such discussions, depending on the prospective suitor.

Knob, there's ONE stat by Mack u forgot:

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https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2024/1/7/24029364/tj-watt-nfl-sack-leader-2023-season-record-jj-watt-michael-strahan-defensive-player-of-the-year-dpoy

[Bolt4Knob]

Knob, there's ONE stat by Mack u forgot:

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https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-the-year-dpoy

I posted the clip of the article from Spiegelberger - I didn't write it. But if looking at sacks, had 8 in 2022. 2023 was an outlier in terms of sacks.

I am still selling high on Mack as I don't think he will replicate it next year and will revert back to previous form.