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Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
I said he didn't run at the combine. I also said he was fast. ...just not a sub 4.4.
When somebody doesn't run at the combine their official times show up on on nfldraftscout and they also show up sometimes in another comebine site that shows all their comenine and /or proday results. Draftscout is a real good source and I'd trust that over ChatGPT lol.
There are articles from his proday that say he ran 'unofficial times" of 4.39 and 4.37. NFL.com.has those unofficial times
Here is another one with his proday results with the 4.44. not don't say official but when it's all updated after the UN official times, I assume that is the official time with Draftscout.
But, who knows since there isn't anything with the word official that I've seen. Only Unofficial
But again I'll state, it don't really matter. Guyton ran a 4.38 and he isn't good at anything else as a receiver.
A 40 time does not define how good a WR will be! If it did, Keenan would of been out of the league long ago.
But, if you want to keep the thought he runs a 4.37, then cool, you do that!
He is still more a Guyton talent than McConkey.
BUT there is another rule... you cannot coach speed!..... speed is an element that wins games..... when you try to cover someone faster than you, one false move and they are gone!
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Originally posted by jox g View Post
Weird. I have the video of Daniel Jeremiah broadcasting with his 4.37 and 4.39 times. It was linked in prior page. Chat GPT even agreed. If you don't, then ok.
Fehoko > Guyton because of size, weight (with speed), special teams prowess. JG was just speed. Makes sense to me, what do you think?
They are still unofficial times.
Once more I'll say, a 40 time does not make a WR good.amd Fehoko hasn't been able to crack the 53 this far on l at least 2 other teams? 3 teams im not even sure.
Chark is faster, McConkey is at least as fast if not a little faster. Keenan much slower and he better than all of them. He just isn't going to be a big deep threat.
If Fehoko makes it, good for him. If he doesn't, I trust Harbaugh on this more than I did Staley. It's not like we lack speed at WR now.
It's why I haven't tried making many predictions. This staff i just have much more faith in than the previous three. Whoever makes the 53 makes the 53, I won't complain....unless Stick in one and we didn't upgrade with a trade.
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Originally posted by Charge! View Post
also True of Jerry Rice....and Brandon Rice who has very similar physical skills as his dad with more speed....
BUT there is another rule... you cannot coach speed!..... speed is an element that wins games..... when you try to cover someone faster than you, one false move and they are gone!
DBs were all slower back in his day too. 4.4 was a rare DB back then, it was a rare WR too. 4.5 - 4.6 CBs and 4.6-4.8 S's were common. now those are unheard of. players are faster across the board.
I hope to see Brandon come out and have a great game this weekend.“Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”
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Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post
I don't believe Jerry's official oft-cited 40 time of 4.7+ at all as proof that slow receivers can still torch defenders. not for a second. I saw him run, I saw him run away from DBs regularly. I saw him run away from Charger DBs the entire fucking superbowl. He wasn't 4.3 but he wasn't getting run down from behind like he would have if he were really >4.7. its bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
DBs were all slower back in his day too. 4.4 was a rare DB back then, it was a rare WR too. 4.5 - 4.6 CBs and 4.6-4.8 S's were common. now those are unheard of. players are faster across the board.
I hope to see Brandon come out and have a great game this weekend.What was Jerry Rice's fastest 40 time?
between 4.45 and 4.71 seconds
San Francisco 49ers (1985–2000) Rice's record-breaking season at Mississippi Valley State caught the attention of NFL scouts. Sources vary on his 40-yard dash time, which was measured between 4.45 and 4.71 seconds.“Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”
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Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
Anybody who runs a sub 4.40 has my attention. Including Woods. Can they play though? That’s always the question.
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Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post
I don't believe Jerry's official oft-cited 40 time of 4.7+ at all as proof that slow receivers can still torch defenders. not for a second. I saw him run, I saw him run away from DBs regularly. I saw him run away from Charger DBs the entire fucking superbowl. He wasn't 4.3 but he wasn't getting run down from behind like he would have if he were really >4.7. its bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
DBs were all slower back in his day too. 4.4 was a rare DB back then, it was a rare WR too. 4.5 - 4.6 CBs and 4.6-4.8 S's were common. now those are unheard of. players are faster across the board.
I hope to see Brandon come out and have a great game this weekend.
Jerry was a big, strong very smooth and efficient long striding WR..... if you run a 4.4 or 4.5 you will catch up to him but as soon as you try and grab him, you lose alot of speed, slip off, and Rice pulls away.sometimes easily... and the football field is not that big so not much time or room to catch up once you lose your stride.... Rice did not waste moves.... and like some people, he did not run great 40 times but he played faster on a football field.... he was so smooth and Montana would place balls perfectly so Rice did not have to break stride...... Remember the first TD he had against DEN ibn SB blowout...... DEN top safety tried to blow up Rice with an extremely hard hit and just hit Rice and fell down..... and Rice just walked into the enddzone with all of the DEN defense watching with jaws dropped..... in their faces game was over.... RICE is in HOF for a reason....he was a great one....
and I was at that SB......where Chargers DB's looked like they were stuck in quicksand compared to Rice.....
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Originally posted by chargeroo View PostWay back when, I attended a lot of Padre games with buddies from work, We'd drink too much beer and then drive home. I don't know why I never got pulled over.
We went to the games even before they were a MLB team. Was it called Westlake Park? There was a large shopping center there the last time I visited SD. I loved the right fielder (Brown?), he had a great arm.
I attended some minor league Padre games there. The Pads were the AAA affiliate for the Cincinnati Reds. I actually saw Tommy Perez play as a minor leaguer in about 1961. I also saw a couple of preseason MLB games there, specifically the Dodgers vs. the Houston Colt .45s, and Angels vs. Milwaukee Braves.
Westgate Park had a corrugated metal roof that covered the stands down bother the first base and third base lines. Made a huge clatter when a foul ball landed on it. I also remember ushers coming and confiscating foul balls from fans. They wouldn't let you keep them!
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Originally posted by Duck of Death View Post
Wondering if the ability to run read option is a requirement for Harbaugh & GRo. Might explain the fascination with Stick since that is the one thing he does do decently. Kap ran a ton of zone reads in SF & JJ also ran it well, albeit to a lesser degree, at Michigan And of course, GRo had Lamar in Baltimore. Doesn’t explain the Perez signing, but that might be more about filling QB3 or even a PS role.
In the QB room and on the sideline, Easton is Herbert's Kellen Clemons.
The football IQ aspect is deemed invaluable.
Like Phil, Justin is veey durable.
I agree with you about read option and GRo.We play modern Harball.
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Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
Money Smith and Lo Neal had a great discussion about "Sticks" recently.
In the QB room and on the sideline, Easton is Herbert's Kellen Clemons.
The football IQ aspect is deemed invaluable.
Like Phil, Justin is veey durable.
I agree with you about read option and GRo.
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