Baltimore Draft Philosophy

[Kellyb72601]

This is a good 2 part article by Bill Parcells that explains the personnel philosophy he learned back in the 80s that several teams still use today. These teams are notorious for being tough and physical because they tend to stick close to their prototypes on size. Added up over an entire football team over several years that results in consistently having big physical teams that beat up on other teams. This is the approach Ozzie Newsome learned from Belichik in Cleveland and took with him to Baltimore. Pittsburgh, and Seattle (under Pete Carroll) also use close variations of this philosophy. It also explains why Telesco sucked at building tough, physical football teams.

Part 1: Sticking to your prototypes in NFL draft evaluation: https://www.the33rdteam.com/sticking...el-evaluation/
Part 2: How type grading system allows teams to minimize mistakes: https://www.the33rdteam.com/how-type...ting-mistakes/

The people — and former Raiders' owner Al Davis was among them — who told me if you don't have your philosophy on personnel and you don't have your prototypical values in place on personnel, pretty soon, and these were their exact words, "Your team looks like a dog pound. One of these … one of those … big ones … little ones … ones that bite … ones that don't."

Now, if there was someone who didn't fit that prototype, my friend Ron Wolf used to have an expression, and I used to use it quite a bit myself: "He'd better walk on water." In other words, there are certain players that are exceptions but who have exceptional skills.

But if you have too many exceptions, you'll have a team full of them … and you've got yourself a dog pound.

[Velo]

Draft players who are good football players not just good athletes.

Draft players who demonstrated desire and commitment in college.

Don't draft players based on Combine measurables if they didn't stand out in college.

Avoid players who had a significant injury history in college.

[sonorajim]

Hortiz thought : BPA every time.

Which leaves a lot to be desired in definition.

Good luck to us! It's not a perfect process but we have a great shot. Our guys are vets at this who have a huge support net.

[Heatmiser]

Interesting articles. Thanks Kellyb!

[Kellyb72601]

Draft players who are good football players not just good athletes.

Draft players who demonstrated desire and commitment in college.

Don't draft players based on Combine measurables if they didn't stand out in college.

Avoid players who had a significant injury history in college.

That's more of a Telesco philosophy.

The Baltimore philosophy rewards prototype size or prototype + size as much as they do the "football player." The basic idea is you're probably wrong about the player anyway so if you draft a bunch of exceptions to the prototype you end up a small finesse team that gets pushed around (like Polian & Telesco). Not that they won't draft an undersized player due to football ability, but the grade they have on him tends to be less than other teams. So at the end of the day when it's their time to pick their board tends to favor size & physicality, their team tends to favor size & physicality, and play style tends to favor size & physicality etc. It's all in the grading system.

So (assuming Hortiz is following this same philosophy) if you want to know who he's likely to draft go ahead and scratch anyone off the list that is far off the mark for positional height & weight standards. I look at Bowers he's 240 and the positional standard is like 245 I don't think that's enough of a difference to dock him, but if he were only 230 it would be.

Late round & UDFAs, look for the longest & biggest "project" type players.

[Fouts2herbert]

This is a good 2 part article by Bill Parcells that explains the personnel philosophy he learned back in the 80s that several teams still use today. These teams are notorious for being tough and physical because they tend to stick close to their prototypes on size. Added up over an entire football team over several years that results in consistently having big physical teams that beat up on other teams. This is the approach Ozzie Newsome learned from Belichik in Cleveland and took with him to Baltimore. Pittsburgh, and Seattle (under Pete Carroll) also use close variations of this philosophy. It also explains why Telesco sucked at building tough, physical football teams.

Part 1: Sticking to your prototypes in NFL draft evaluation: https://www.the33rdteam.com/sticking...el-evaluation/
Part 2: How type grading system allows teams to minimize mistakes: https://www.the33rdteam.com/how-type...ting-mistakes/

why does this sound so fucking wrong to me? to say that Belichick taught Newsome the trade when their track records are so incredibly different, Belichik wishes he had the draft history that Newsome has established, Ozzie is the one that created that culture in Baltimore to give any fucking credit to Belichik is fucking ridiculous...

[Kellyb72601]

Belichik at some point seemed to decide to totally ignore the offensive skill positions but look at all the tough, physical defenses he built. His draft ranking is actually really good when all picks are considered, he just missed a lot of 1st round picks and mostly ignored the skill positions. I agree Ozzie definitely seemed to be the better GM but he did get his start in personnel working under Belichik in Cleveland.

[wu-dai clan]

Hortiz thought : BPA every time.

Which leaves a lot to be desired in definition.

Good luck to us! It's not a perfect process but we have a great shot. Our guys are vets at this who have a huge support net.

I believe Hortiz mentioning Kyle Hamilton was a double reverse flea flicker.
@ #5 is a big fat IDK.
Joe wants trade(s).

[sonorajim]

I believe Hortiz mentioning Kyle Hamilton was a double reverse flea flicker.
@ #5 is a big fat IDK.
Joe wants trade(s).

Joe wants overpaid trade(s). We'll know when the commish makes the announcement.

[ChargersPowderBlue]

It also explains why Telesco sucked at building tough, physical football teams.

Probably because he just let the HC do whatever they want? This was evident outside of his first round draft players/selections.

why does this sound so fucking wrong to me? to say that Belichick taught Newsome the trade when their track records are so incredibly different, Belichik wishes he had the draft history that Newsome has established, Ozzie is the one that created that culture in Baltimore to give any fucking credit to Belichik is fucking ridiculous...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uljPXpRRhk

Ozzie Newsome learned of working in personnel of an organization from Bill Belichick, leading to him being a GM. Not that Belichick has anything to do with the Ravens organization.

[powderblueboy]

Joe wants overpaid trade(s). We'll know when the commish makes the announcement.

We'll see.

He certainly squashed Arizona's dream of trading back and then up again, getting MHJr. and a first out of the maneuver.
My guess is that he wants to trade back from #5, and doesn't want the Cardinals to cut themselves in on the spoils.

[Fouts2herbert]

We'll see.

He certainly squashed Arizona's dream of trading back and then up again, getting MHJr. and a first out of the maneuver.
My guess is that he wants to trade back from #5, and doesn't want the Cardinals to cut themselves in on the spoils.

if the cardinals do indeed want Harrison bad enough then they'll make him the first non QB off the board, otherwise they'd risk losing out on getting him, Hortiz is doing his job and that job has nothing to do with facilitating the Cardinals having their cake and eating it too...