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Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan
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Herbert should have been rested the game before the houston Game as he did not look entirely healthy. The other loss was an insane team loss plus our midget minded head coach Staley screwed us on defense for the Jaguars game. Weird public shaming as they seem to like Herbert but he's not in the same tier as Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes but who really cares. I guess they're waiting with baited breath to see what he can do this season. Maybe we have a back-up QB who can actually come in and give him a break if needed. I think this has really been our achilles heal.Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....
"Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh
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Im.notOriginally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post
im sick of losing, just win baby
he also played his worst game of his career 4 int only 3 in the whole seasonComment
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So one bad game and he is not a top 10 QB after setting all time NFL passing records and playing mostly very well in 5 seasons wth 4 OCs and 3 head coaches?Originally posted by Jorgecasas10 View PostComment
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He's definitely a top 10 QB (more like top 5), but the clutch factor he had as a rookie has diminished with the coaching carousel he's had to play through, but that's my opinion. For me, it's a make-or-break year for him. He has to overcome the schedule and get into the AFC Championship game for him to be redeemed, otherwise, he'll just be another talented, borderline elite regular season QB who can't win in the playoffs.Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post
What I'm really finding interesting is Harbaugh is setting up a similar dynamic as compared to the 2012 49ers. If Herbert goes down for any length of the season, we may have some type of QB controversy potentially with him and Trey Lance just like Alex Smith had with Kaepernick. It's an eerily similar dynamic where you have an accurate pocket passer versus a dual threat QB. In 2012, I would have never imagined that Alex Smith wouldn't come back to start and that Kaepernick who was an absolute question mark (just like Lance) would take over and lead them to the Superbowl.Comment
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Herb is the Ultimate Duck- The criticism you're referring to? Water off his back.Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post
You never hear him complain about any of this shit. And you never hear him vow to silence his critics, either. He knows what to let into his psyche, and what to keep out.Comment
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I don’t see that happening. Herbie is not Alex Smith.Originally posted by jaguarmanftype View Post
Herbie is the Golden God. Yes, he had a bad game when constantly slammed with the worst pressure of the season. Tip the hat to HOU, they won that game in the trench and we all saw it. He’ll stack some big wins and this will be ancient history. Until then, so what. Kermit has lost more playoff games than Herbie has … think about that.“Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”Comment
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That's a massive stretch. Kaepernick was a second-round pick in his second season, selected specifically by Harbaugh. Lance is on his third team in his fifth season. The 49ers traded him for a fourth-round pick to Dallas, where he couldn't beat out Cooper Rush for the backup job and his fifth-year option was declined. This may be Lance's last chance to make an NFL roster. I'm rooting for him to be the primary backup, but I'm not confident he'll be in the NFL next season.Originally posted by jaguarmanftype View PostComment
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Yes. I get the harsh reality that until he wins a playoff game, he'll be roasted but compare the talent and coaching Mahomes has had vs what Herbert has had in his career. The horrible Texan playoff game amplified it - but even Mahomes crumbled under relentless pressure in the SB.Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post
If Herbert can't win one under Harbaugh and Hortiz's tenure, then it will be justified. Up until now, the only reason the Chargers have won as many games as they have is because he has carried the team.Comment
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With very few exceptions, most QB follow a similar path to what has happened to JH in the playoffs.Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post
Teams like ours have flaws as they are built, and JH didn't have the best supporting cast. The better teams wins in the playoffs, because even though JH is a great QB, the other team has a QB too.
But guys like Peyton Manning had this sort of rap too, so I don't take it serious. Brady even had a couple year down turn where many people on a previous incarnation of this board said was completely done and would never do anything meaningful again. He got a few more rings and a 17-0 season after that.
That being said, I am sick of the narrative too.Comment
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Someone before mentioned the money. I don't think that makes a difference. Sure it is up to $6.5 mill, but what would we spend it on. I just don't think H &H are looking for the last guy to fill out the roster types. Most of the rest of the guys we could sign would be cheap.Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post
As far as his "value" it goes both ways. Lance is more valuable on the trade market. But he is also valuable to us.
if you value a pocket passer who can manage a game and throw from the pocket, Heinecke is the guy. But he is limited. If you go out and ask him to carry the team, we are probably going to lose. But then that is true of almost every backup. IF the rest of the offense plays well, and we can finally run the ball, then he can probably be a good enough QB to carry on with.
Lance has a chance to do a Lamar Jackson/Time Tebow type of deal. I don't trust him as a passer, although if you believe the preseason hype, he is improving. Mostly, I think we would go to a run first offense and ask Lance to be a game manager who throws sparingly and then runs a lot of zone read and RPO's. It is not the kind of offense that I think I would really want, but if it buys us time with an injured Herbert, then it could be successful. The point is that Lance has some skills, and even though I doubt he will ever be as valauble as a 3rd overall pick should be, he does bring some playmaking skills to an offense. More than Heinecke anyway.Comment
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Kaepernick was a Roman pick moreso than Harbaugh's. Meanwhile, Lance was drafted by the 49ers which I thought at the time made sense as I assumed that Kyle Shanahan was going to try to revive the dual-option threat system he ran with his daddy and Sean McVay when they were with the Redskins in 2012 after drafting Robert Griffin. But that's not what happened. Shanahan tried to force Lance to become another Jimmy Garapollo (or Brock Purdy) and have him be a pocket passer. That didn't work, so he was shipped off to Dallas where he didn't fit scheme-wise either. I agree that this is likely Trey's final stop as there is no other team running a system that could cater to his skills other than the Ravens. If you remember, Kaepernick fell off a cliff after Roman and Harbaugh left, and no one saw him a redeemable project, not a McVay or a Shanahan even though he was in the Superbowl just a few years prior. And that's before his kneel down antics in 2016. I think if anyone can get the most out of Lance, it would be Greg Roman, and the Chargers are the final destination where he either thrives or washes out of the league altogether.Originally posted by DerwinBosa View PostComment
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I would not put much stock in a Dallas move. They make a lot of dumb onesOriginally posted by DerwinBosa View Post
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