Welcome Coach Butch Barry - Fixing the Offensive Line

[powderblueboy]

I like an aggressive OL coach myself. I didn't hear enough from the presser to form an opinion on his coaching by negative reinforcement. I agree that is not the way to success. But I also feel it is way out of step with Harbaugh and the HC will not tolerate it or even allow the guy on staff if that was the case.

Negative reinforcement only works with certain types of people ..... if it comes across as belittling, and there is not much of a relationship, then it will fail.

We will see .... they (McD and Harbaugh) are well aware of how he interacts with players.

Positive reinforcement also can fail, because a player will never know what he is doing wrong, or if he is being bullshitted .... as we saw last year.

To be honest with Boze - that you are the worst starting center in the league, and couldn't be a backup on many teams - would have been shattering.
But we saw how positive reinforcement sadly failed.

After a while, Boze must have though that getting blown up and always missing stunts was normal.

[sonorajim]

What I saw seemed like strong encouragement. After TC starts, July 27 the blocking exercise and competition for roster slots ramps up. Harbaugh asks " How can we rate blockers when there is no blocking?'

[Riverwalk]

….makes it very clear that he coaches by negative reinforcement, rather than positive reinforcement.... ??

Carrot and the Stick is more likely.

I doubt any coach is strictly one of the other.

[sonorajim]

LG Strange, Cleveland
OC Biadasz + Slaughter, Logan Jones, Brailsford, Bryce Foster, or....
RG Penning + Keylan Rutledge, Jalen Farmer, DJ Campbell, or....

will first share that am not a fanboy of many of the above listed, nor coach Barry, and even have my reservations 'bout McD a time or coupla few of late, and.... will say that am looking forward to what the transition team can do w/the above listed.

we are moving from Gro/Devlin to McD/Barry, and am looking forward to see what they can do w/these guys and what kinda chops they got when developing/working w/this purportedly piss poor makeshift of an IOL.

save for a coupla few on the list, think the most of these guys are perfect for Butch Barry, and will be the tell tale tell all as to how we fare this next season.

decisions have been made, and the suggestion is that Tyler is an upgrade to Bradley, that one of these guys will be an upgrade to Mekhi, and given the disdain for Zion, not sure that Barry can't coach one of these guys up enough to mollify some of the others within this fan base.... tbd.

and pls spare us any myopic over reaction, as we are charged w/fielding an entire roster, and if this unit can hold its own, we know we have talent in other areas, not to mention right next door @tackle.

we also have the second wave of FA after the draft, and post June 1st cuts, and roster cuts before the season starts.... no need to wrangle an inadvertent signing that mimics the mistake made w/Mekhi.... all in good time friends.

let Butch cook....

Currently my impression is LG- Awosika, C- Biadasz, RG-Strange are the 1s. Slaughter is alternating at LG and C with the 1s and starts with the 2s.
Three days of mandatory mini-camp are coming on Jun 16-18. I think we'll get an early preview of current thinking regards starters.
I'm pretty sure Strange is a lock to start at RG due to having 2025 experience with McDaniel, Barry and wide zone blocking.
All that aside, there's a lot of competition. 16 OL will be cut to 8 or 9 when we cut to 53 on Aug 30. Let Butch cook.

[CanadianBoltFan]

He's got to be better than this guy

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Way more intensity and energy than Devlin. Has to be a good thing

[dmac_bolt]

Me neither.

I saw the Berry interview. I saw a football coach though and through. Intense with lots of energy for sure, a guy who lives for coaching and believes in this system, but I can't say i saw anything negative

He's got to be better than this guy

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[CanadianBoltFan]

I listen to and read everything that's put out by Chargers players and coaches on LAChargers.com and a consistent thread is positive energy.
Every one is excited to be together and improving every day. They want to win as a team. I haven't picked up any bitching about coaches or methods.

Me neither.

I saw the Berry interview. I saw a football coach though and through. Intense with lots of energy for sure, a guy who lives for coaching and believes in this system, but I can't say i saw anything negative

[Factotum]

I listen to and read everything that's put out by Chargers players and coaches on LAChargers.com and a consistent thread is positive energy.
Every one is excited to be together and improving every day. They want to win as a team. I haven't picked up any bitching about coaches or methods.

In the excerpt attributed to coach Berry which I was referring to above, he was more effusive about Jake than Kayode. Now some may interpret this statement as Jake being projected as the immediate starter material and then set themselves up for disappointment when he will not be. I just took it as the coach being more encouraging to a rookie who had never played the position by being thrown in the deep end versus a 10 year veteran who was expected to just being plugged in. I have no idea where this +ve/-ve reinforcement stuff is coming from!

[Javia]

watching his latest vid, dude has a very aggressive demeanor, and makes it very clear that he coaches by negative reinforcement, rather than positive reinforcement.... can see how he might have rubbed some guys the wrong way.

hope someone holds him accountable, and so that we avoid whatever dissonance he was in the middle of in Denver ??

"Intensity" ....red headed Irishman ??

the antithesis to Ron Howard.... ??

Coddling didn't work. Let's try abuse. Bozeman and Becton could have used some.

He can't be that bad, Strange followed him here.

[sonorajim]

Yep, that doesnt work with everyone. Players dont like to be berated when they want to get better and when they make a good play the coach tells them they sucked. Hope it isnt a problem with our guys.

I listen to and read everything that's put out by Chargers players and coaches on LAChargers.com and a consistent thread is positive energy.
Every one is excited to be together and improving every day. They want to win as a team. I haven't picked up any bitching about coaches or methods.

[Factotum]

I like an aggressive OL coach myself. I didn't hear enough from the presser to form an opinion on his coaching by negative reinforcement. I agree that is not the way to success. But I also feel it is way out of step with Harbaugh and the HC will not tolerate it or even allow the guy on staff if that was the case.

I admit that I didn't listen to coach Berry's presser if there was one but I saw a text script as disseminated by the folks at the Saturday Morning Inspection podcast. I am expressing an opinion just based on that particular excerpt but I did not see any negative reinforcement. The host explained "coach speak" regarding what he deemed as praise and well done vs good or good enough but no berating. Again, I am only referring to one particular example as late as a couple of days ago.

For those who may not be aware, SMI podcast is not a Chargers "homer" site. They purportedly target a few or handful of teams (maybe their anticipated top 10) to concentrate and to repot on for the upcoming and during the NFL season.

[Boltjolt]

watching his latest vid, dude has a very aggressive demeanor, and makes it very clear that he coaches by negative reinforcement, rather than positive reinforcement.... can see how he might have rubbed some guys the wrong way.

hope someone holds him accountable, and so that we avoid whatever dissonance he was in the middle of in Denver ??

"Intensity" ....red headed Irishman ??

the antithesis to Ron Howard.... ??

Yep, that doesnt work with everyone. Players dont like to be berated when they want to get better and when they make a good play the coach tells them they sucked. Hope it isnt a problem with our guys.