Welcome Coach Butch Barry - Fixing the Offensive Line

[CanadianBoltFan]

He was the center on the roster that Gro thought was best, or safest, or most known, or something. who knows what Gro thought. We will never know if he was the best center on the roster because Gro refused to test James enough to find out. We saw James play one game (Game 17) better than at least 12 of Bozeman's games (if not all of them) and Gro pretended it didn't happen in his post-game presser. jmo.

I don't endorse yelling just for yelling sake. But I think it is sometimes more destructive and corrosive to continually praise a player that the entire rest of the roster can see sucks with their own lyin' eyes. I don't mind a guy that tries as hard as he can and just can't physically match up, but I cannot accept the unrivaled stupidity of that MOFO to constantly wander off and block nobody while defenders ran straight over the top of where he snapped the ball at Herbert untouched.

Thats not "trying as hard as he can". That is recidivist dumbfuckery to the point it is gross negligence. Fuck Bozeman, good riddance. The way all you guys are giving him a kiss on the way out the door is just weird ... I've been here the entire time, I read everything you guys wrote the last 2 years

(ahem - all jmo again, of course).

Not me DM

I will be respectful to him as a human but football wise, for this departure to be actually OFFICIAL....could not have been a better or happier start to the off season for me 😁 🍾

[dmac_bolt]

Well, look at it this way. We all know and agree Bozeman was not a good center for the Chargers. He was also the best center on the roster. They were stuck with him. Want to yell and scream at a guy who just can’t play at a good or high level despite trying as hard as he can? Yelling in that case doesn’t magically make him a better player. It just makes him even worse. I think Harbaugh knew what he had and tried to make the best of it

He was the center on the roster that Gro thought was best, or safest, or most known, or something. who knows what Gro thought. We will never know if he was the best center on the roster because Gro refused to test James enough to find out. We saw James play one game (Game 17) better than at least 12 of Bozeman's games (if not all of them) and Gro pretended it didn't happen in his post-game presser. jmo.

I don't endorse yelling just for yelling sake. But I think it is sometimes more destructive and corrosive to continually praise a player that the entire rest of the roster can see sucks with their own lyin' eyes. I don't mind a guy that tries as hard as he can and just can't physically match up, but I cannot accept the unrivaled stupidity of that MOFO to constantly wander off and block nobody while defenders ran straight over the top of where he snapped the ball at Herbert untouched.

Thats not "trying as hard as he can". That is recidivist dumbfuckery to the point it is gross negligence. Fuck Bozeman, good riddance. The way all you guys are giving him a kiss on the way out the door is just weird ... I've been here the entire time, I read everything you guys wrote the last 2 years

(ahem - all jmo again, of course).

[Heatmiser]

I do not think there was enough yelling last year. I think they were so “supportive” that Bozeman actually thought he played well (cuz he said just that)

Well, look at it this way. We all know and agree Bozeman was not a good center for the Chargers. He was also the best center on the roster. They were stuck with him. Want to yell and scream at a guy who just can’t play at a good or high level despite trying as hard as he can? Yelling in that case doesn’t magically make him a better player. It just makes him even worse. I think Harbaugh knew what he had and tried to make the best of it

[Heatmiser]

Re: Bozeman. I don't think it was lack of effort. I think it was lack of ability. Mental and physical. He is a very limited player. But I do not question his effort. I feel he tried his best every play, just was not very good.

Re: Butch. He was the OL coach on the Nate "Can't Hackett" Broncos. Those players should have hated EVERY ONE of their coaches and with good reason. The stuff I read about his time in Miami is polar opposite of that short time in Denver. Miami players seemed to really like him and felt he got the best out of them. Marty used to yell and get in players' faces in open practices. He especially did it to the OL his first year because they were a bunch of softies (he used a different word) in his eyes when he got there and he wanted it changed. Marty knew when to yell and when to hug. Hoping Barry does, too.

Last thought on Barry in Denver. When your head coach is Michael Scott sometimes you have to be Dwight Schrute. I could see a guy like Barry saying, "I don't care how the rest of this team is playing, my unit is not going to totally suck!" Hackett was incapable of doing that.

[powderblueboy]

There are all kinds of personalities that succeed as well as fail so I'm not sure him not screaming in people's faces is an issue.

I think you miss my point (or didn't bother to read most of it) ... by questioning a players effort and pushing them to get better, it does not mean that you are getting in their face and blowing up.
There is a component of friction with that approach however.

[powderblueboy]

lol well when the likes of Bozeman could not pick up their assignments 10 weeks into the season, a little yelling in their face might not have hurt

My main problem with Bozeman was in his effort .... at the very least mental ... he wasn't thinking out there. How many times were people running across his face and he doesn't pick them up, but just passively waves at them as if passing them off mentally to someone else.

Yeah, Boze needed to be told to get his head out of his ass dozens and dozens of times ... he was mentally lazy, which always added up to moving towards easier blocks or nobody, if a nose tackle wasn't over him.

[richpjr]

Listening to Steve Haglund (& reading Xenos's above post), he talks about Barry being very passionate, and committed, but an in your face type of guy.
That might not sit well with certain players.

Broncos players reportedly cheered when he was leaving ... Miami players getting notes posted on their locker:
all this might imply a certain veracity to this type of temperment.

Under likeable people like Harbaugh/McDaniel ... the ass kickers might be needed.
Some head coaches give underlings lattitude to be themselves, with no fear of not having the full attention of the players they coach;
others, like NOrv, are too focused on one thing: so you got the report of special teams's players goofing off during meetings.

Mike Devlin was much more relaxed in his approach (almost as if he was coming off a bender) ... and Haglund hinted that he told players things they wanted to hear.
So, in your face might be construed as an intensity of commitment towards getting players to reach their potential, and pushing them, and telling them when they are not giving him max effort;
not some guy screaming in their face, or insulting them, which is not today's NFL - and good that it is so.

Not certain if any of this is true though.

There are all kinds of personalities that succeed as well as fail so I'm not sure him not screaming in people's faces is an issue.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I do not think there was enough yelling last year. I think they were so “supportive” that Bozeman actually thought he played well (cuz he said just that)

Possible. Harbaugh builds up his players like nobody....which is good, but maybe not overboard. You came away thinking the Chargers and the player had the delusion Bozeman was actually good at playing center and was important to the team.

[dmac_bolt]

lol well when the likes of Bozeman could not pick up their assignments 10 weeks into the season, a little yelling in their face might not have hurt

I do not think there was enough yelling last year. I think they were so “supportive” that Bozeman actually thought he played well (cuz he said just that)

[CanadianBoltFan]

Listening to Steve Haglund (& reading Xenos's above post), he talks about Barry being very passionate, and committed, but an in your face type of guy.
That might not sit well with certain players.

Broncos players reportedly cheered when he was leaving ... Miami players getting notes posted on their locker:
all this might imply a certain veracity to this type of temperment.

Under likeable people like Harbaugh/McDaniel ... the ass kickers might be needed.
Some head coaches give underlings lattitude to be themselves, with no fear of not having the full attention of the players they coach;
others, like NOrv, are too focused on one thing: so you got the report of special teams's players goofing off during meetings.

Mike Devlin was much more relaxed in his approach (almost as if he was coming off a bender) ... and Haglund hinted that he told players things they wanted to hear.
So, in your face might be construed as an intensity of commitment towards getting players to reach their potential, and pushing them, and telling them when they are not giving him max effort;
not some guy screaming in their face, or insulting them, which is not today's NFL - and good that it is so.

Not certain if any of this is true though.

lol well when the likes of Bozeman could not pick up their assignments 10 weeks into the season, a little yelling in their face might not have hurt

[powderblueboy]

Listening to Steve Haglund (& reading Xenos's above post), he talks about Barry being very passionate, and committed, but an in your face type of guy.
That might not sit well with certain players.

Broncos players reportedly cheered when he was leaving ... Miami players getting notes posted on their locker:
all this might imply a certain veracity to this type of temperment.

Under likeable people like Harbaugh/McDaniel ... the ass kickers might be needed.
Some head coaches give underlings lattitude to be themselves, with no fear of not having the full attention of the players they coach;
others, like NOrv, are too focused on one thing: so you got the report of special teams's players goofing off during meetings.

Mike Devlin was much more relaxed in his approach (almost as if he was coming off a bender) ... and Haglund hinted that he told players things they wanted to hear.
So, in your face might be construed as an intensity of commitment towards getting players to reach their potential, and pushing them, and telling them when they are not giving him max effort;
not some guy screaming in their face, or insulting them, which is not today's NFL - and good that it is so.

Not certain if any of this is true though.

[Xenos]

5 things to know about Butch Barry:

https://www.chargers.com/news/butch-barry-offensive-line-coaching-staff