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  • richpjr
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    Originally posted by blueman View Post
    Also Brees sucks.
    WTF? This again blue!?!?!?!?!

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    • blueman
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      Originally posted by richpjr View Post

      WTF? This again blue!?!?!?!?!
      Always, lol.

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      • Fleet
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        Bucky Brooks dreams up five blockbuster NFL trades he'd like to see in 2019, including one that would give Jadeveon Clowney an interesting new home. Plus, Michael Thomas' value and more.


        Team builders are always looking to other sports for new and innovative ways to build championship squads. General managers and executives will pick the brains of their baseball, basketball and hockey brethren to see if there are emerging trends that would translate to the NFL.

        The Los Angeles Lakers dominated headlines by pulling off a blockbuster trade to acquire six-time All-Star forward Anthony Davis from the New Orleans Pelicans for three players and three additional first-round draft picks. This lines up with my belief that we are seeing more team builders opt for established stars over draft picks in multiple sports. Although the allure of taking a chance on what's behind Door No. 1 in the draft is intoxicating for some general managers, there is also security in acquiring a player with a proven track record of producing at the highest level.

        Davis is a top-five player who averaged 25.9 points, 12.0 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game last season, thanks to his MVP-caliber game. Pairing the ultimate big man with a three-time NBA champion regarded by some as the "G.O.A.T." (LeBron James) definitely makes the Lakers viable title contenders in a star-driven league. Now, I know it is a little easier to use the star model in a five-man sport, but NFL teams have started to utilize the approach, particularly those with a young quarterback playing on a rookie deal.

        Over the past two years, we've seen several teams with young QB1s auction off first-round picks for some star power. Last year, the Los Angeles Ramsadded receiver Brandin Cooks to the lineup to give Jared Goff an explosive pass catcher to target on the perimeter. The Chicago Bears scooped up Khalil Mack last September to give the defense a "closer" to finish off lopsided games, sparked by a Mitchell Trubisky-led offense. Jerry Jones made a major move for the Dallas Cowboys in October to give Dak Prescott a legitimate WR1 in Amari Cooper.

        Not to be outdone, the Kansas City Chiefs traded away a first-round pick this offseason to add a dominant pass rusher in Frank Clark to the mix. With Patrick Mahomes lighting up scoreboards around the league, the Chiefs need a sack master to finish off games. In Cleveland, the Browns added Odell Beckham Jr. to an offense that was already brimming with explosive playmakers on the perimeter. The electric pass catcher will give Baker Mayfield a WR1 with the sauce to change the culture in the Dawg Pound.

        Those are just some of the moves that have been made in the NFL recently. Considering how executives are more willing to explore the trade market with young quarterbacks playing on cheap rookie deals while their teams are in "win now" mode, I believe we could see a few teams embark on some additional wheeling and dealing to add some star power to their lineups via a major trade.

        Inspired by the Davis trade, I surveyed the NFL landscape to see which teams are a player or two away from making some noise as a potential playoff or title contender. Here are five teams that I would love to see make a blockbuster trade heading into the season, listed along with their potential ideal trade targets:


        BALTIMORE RAVENS: Whitney Mercilus, LB or Jadeveon Clowney, LB, Texans. The surprising departure in free agency of seven-time Pro Bowler Terrell Suggs left a huge void in the Ravens' lineup at pass rusher. The menacing veteran's game has started to slip heading into Year 17, but he remains a scary threat for opposing quarterbacks off the edge. No. 55 has wreaked havoc on the perimeter for Baltimore since 2003; now, the Ravens need to find a new bully on the block after also losing Za'Darius Smith as a free agent. The defense helped ensure a successful transition to the job of QB1 as a rookie, holding Baltimore's opponents to an average of 18 points and 277 yards per game while Jackson went 6-1 to close out the regular season. The team is counting on third-round pick Jaylon Ferguson to step into a major role, but the Ravens could still use a pass rusher with star power, like Mercilus or Clowney, both of whom are entering contract years in Houston (barring an extension for the franchise-tagged Clowney), to extend the dominance of a defense that ranked first overall and fifth against the pass in 2018.

        HOUSTON TEXANS: Melvin Gordon, RB, Chargers. The Texans made a concerted effort to upgrade the protection around quarterback Deshaun Watson, who was sacked a league-high 62 times last season, during the draft. Establishing a more consistent running game might also help temper their opponents' aggression. Sure, Lamar Miller has shown flashes as the team's RB1, but the veteran hasn't cracked the 1,000-yard mark in either of the past two seasons, and his relatively paltry total of 100-yard games during that span (four) certainly doesn't keep opposing defensive coordinators up at night. Gordon, who is entering the final year of his rookie contract, has been negotiating with the Chargers, but if talks break down, maybe the Texans should knock on L.A.'s door in an attempt to upgrade a running game that needs some more juice.

        NEW YORK JETS: Jimmy Graham, TE, Packers. The Jets' ascension to the top of the AFC East will be fueled by Sam Darnold and his growth as a QB1 in Year 2 of his NFL career. The team added the ultimate weapon to the backfield in Le'Veon Bell to give the young quarterback an electric RB1/WR2 to lean on in critical situations. And free-agent signee Jamison Crowder will further help bolster a pass-catching lineup that features intriguing talents Robby Anderson and Quincy Enunwa at receiver and Chris Herndon at tight end. Even so, the Jets could use another playmaker with the capacity to do damage over the middle of the field. Graham would be an interesting option as a veteran pass catcher with mismatch potential as a "flex" tight end. He was a bit of a disappointment in Green Bay during his first season with the Packers (55 catches, 636 yards, two touchdowns), so the former All-Pro could be a viable option if he doesn't quickly acclimate to new coach Matt LaFleur's system in training camp.


        BUFFALO BILLS: Jordan Reed, TE, Redskins. The Josh Allen era got off to a good start a season ago, as the young quarterback dazzled the league with his athleticism and running ability. Heading into Year 2 of Allen's career, the Billshave attempted to surround him with more playmakers in the passing game to enable him to show off his arm talent as a deep-ball thrower. Buffalo signed Cole Beasley and John Brown to stretch the field horizontally and vertically, but the team still needs a "chain mover" and red-zone weapon to act as Allen's security blanket in critical moments. Reed would thrive in that role as a dynamic "flex" tight end with outstanding quickness, agility and route-running skills. With third-round pick Dawson Knox and seventh-round pick Tommy Sweeney serving as young apprentices for the Bills, the addition of an established playmaker at tight end could help accelerate Allen's growth as a franchise quarterback.

        WASHINGTON REDSKINS: Mohamed Sanu, WR, Falcons. The 'Skins haven't had a legitimate WR1 since DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon shared duties a few seasons ago. Whether rookie Dwayne Haskins or veteran Case Keenum is under center, the team desperately needs a credible threat on the perimeter to complement a rugged running game spearheaded by running backs Adrian Peterson and Derrius Guice. Imagine a big-bodied, hard-nosed pass catcher like the 6-foot-2, 215-pound Sanu coming onboard to give the 'Skins a dependable chain mover to anchor the passing game. Sanu is coming off his most productive NFL season yet, yardage-wise (838), but with Calvin Ridley securing 10 touchdown catches as a rookie (plus 821 receiving yards) alongside Julio Jones, might Atlanta be tempted to move Sanu for additional draft capital?

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        • wu-dai clan
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          Originally posted by blueman View Post
          Also Brees sucks, lol.

          Realistically they both miss a few games but play at a high level when they do play. And we let Gordon walk and extend Bosa.

          Would love for both to have monster seasons, cuz that would mean a SB trophy.
          But, but Brees just was awarded $6.1 million by a jury vs a La Jolla jeweller scam artist.

          How can he suck ?
          You don't know ball

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          • Formula 21
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            From CBS
            12. Class Dismissed?

            The 2015 draft class should be cementing its place in the league by now, entering the fifth season when massive contracts should be the norm. It may be now or never for what looks like one of the more suspect first rounds in a long time. The top two picks - Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota - are still playing for their next contracts. Todd Gurley got paid (he is the only 2015 first-rounder to sign a multi-year extension with the team that drafted him - crazy) but his knee is a major concern and much of the rest of the class has already changed teams or busted out of the league. Will others emerge before it's too late? The second and third rounds have vastly out-performed this 2015 first-round to date

            Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
            The Wasted Decade is done.
            Build Back Better.

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            • Bolt-O
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              Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
              From CBS
              12. Class Dismissed?

              ... The second and third rounds have vastly out-performed this 2015 first-round to date
              Is that an objective statement, or just due to the somewhat disappointing top of the draft? Mariota and Winston haven't broken out, but QBs can be boom/bust, they just are neither, lol. I looked at the third round (Chargers got Mager), but none of those names jump out as vastly better than first rounders. Second round isn't outstanding as well.

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              • Xenos
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                Looks like both Melvins got in trouble for their comments a couple of weeks ago. I understand where Lynn is coming from though. Part of the Parcell coaching tree is shutting up and keeping humble.
                Can Josh McCown really stay retired? Plus the latest on Todd Gurley, Michael Thomas, Dee Ford, the Texans-Patriots tension and more. 

                Melvin Gordon and Melvin Ingram on the Chargers' aspirations--Gordon called the Bolts "the team to beat," and Ingram said that they're "definitely going to win the Super Bowl"--didn't go over well within the building in Orange County. It was pointed out to me that those two guys were the most notable absences from the team's offseason program.

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                • Steve
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                  Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post

                  Is that an objective statement, or just due to the somewhat disappointing top of the draft? Mariota and Winston haven't broken out, but QBs can be boom/bust, they just are neither, lol. I looked at the third round (Chargers got Mager), but none of those names jump out as vastly better than first rounders. Second round isn't outstanding as well.


                  I'm not sure that I would agree with CBS. If anything, scanning through, this was one of the better 1st round classes, although it is maybe a bit more of a qualified success. Verrett and Shazier were both pro bowlers, but with their injuries do you consider them a success? What about our UDFA in Brandon Oliver. Fine backup RB his 1st season, but then really didn't do much after that, but hardly even cost us any cap space, let alone draft capital.
                  Last edited by Steve; 06-27-2019, 07:43 PM.

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                  • Formula 21
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                    Do the Cowboys even need to re-sign Ezekiel Elliott? Why Dallas may not want to pay its star RB

                    Dak Prescott might be due for a new deal, but what about Zeke?

                    Ezekiel Elliott was taken fourth overall three years ago, he's twice topped 1,400 rushing yards, he's arguably the key to the Dallas Cowboys offense, and he's easily one of the top offensive play-makers in the entire NFL.

                    But should Dallas even prioritize re-signing him?

                    Elliott's running mate, quarterback Dak Prescott, will inevitably land a big-money deal to stay with the Cowboys, but recent reports have indicatedAmerica's Team might be hesitant to pay its star running back -- not only this offseason but in any future offseason. ESPN's Dan Graziano, in fact, suggested Dallas could be quicker to lock up wide receiver Amari Cooperand cornerback Byron Jones, among others, before opening their pockets for Zeke.

                    Part of the reasoning could be Elliott's checkered off-field history. But mostly it could be because, well, he's a running back. And CBS Sports' Ryan Wilson has absolutely no problem with that being the case.

                    "Nope," he said on Friday's Pick Six Podcast, when asked whether he'd commit to Elliott. "We talk about it all the time, and nothing's changed. Yes, he is one of the two best running backs in the league. No, you don't need to spend a sizable part of the salary cap on a running back. We were having this conversation about Le'Veon Bell. Le'Veon Bell went jet skiing last offseason, and James Conner, who makes less than a million dollars a year, did exactly the same thing."

                    Pick Six host Will Brinson added that he could foresee the Cowboys handling Elliott much like they did DeMarco Murray -- getting as much as they can out of their star running back before letting him pursue big money elsewhere. Wilson, meanwhile, doubled down on his opinion that Elliott is replaceable, pointing to Bell's relatively lukewarm 2019 free agency as reason not to hype up "elite" RBs.

                    "He's not transcendent," Wilson said of Elliott. "He's very, very good."
                    Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                    The Wasted Decade is done.
                    Build Back Better.

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                    • Topcat
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                      Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
                      Do the Cowboys even need to re-sign Ezekiel Elliott? Why Dallas may not want to pay its star RB

                      Dak Prescott might be due for a new deal, but what about Zeke?



                      Ezekiel Elliott was taken fourth overall three years ago, he's twice topped 1,400 rushing yards, he's arguably the key to the Dallas Cowboys offense, and he's easily one of the top offensive play-makers in the entire NFL.

                      But should Dallas even prioritize re-signing him?

                      Elliott's running mate, quarterback Dak Prescott, will inevitably land a big-money deal to stay with the Cowboys, but recent reports have indicatedAmerica's Team might be hesitant to pay its star running back -- not only this offseason but in any future offseason. ESPN's Dan Graziano, in fact, suggested Dallas could be quicker to lock up wide receiver Amari Cooperand cornerback Byron Jones, among others, before opening their pockets for Zeke.

                      Part of the reasoning could be Elliott's checkered off-field history. But mostly it could be because, well, he's a running back. And CBS Sports' Ryan Wilson has absolutely no problem with that being the case.

                      "Nope," he said on Friday's Pick Six Podcast, when asked whether he'd commit to Elliott. "We talk about it all the time, and nothing's changed. Yes, he is one of the two best running backs in the league. No, you don't need to spend a sizable part of the salary cap on a running back. We were having this conversation about Le'Veon Bell. Le'Veon Bell went jet skiing last offseason, and James Conner, who makes less than a million dollars a year, did exactly the same thing."

                      Pick Six host Will Brinson added that he could foresee the Cowboys handling Elliott much like they did DeMarco Murray -- getting as much as they can out of their star running back before letting him pursue big money elsewhere. Wilson, meanwhile, doubled down on his opinion that Elliott is replaceable, pointing to Bell's relatively lukewarm 2019 free agency as reason not to hype up "elite" RBs.

                      "He's not transcendent," Wilson said of Elliott. "He's very, very good."
                      Looks like both Gordon and Elliott are in the same boat...some teams are shying away from giving RB's crazy money, when you can pick up a FA or draft a guy in round 3-4 who will do just about as good...invest in O-line, and a good O-line will make even an average back look good...

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                      • Panamamike
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                        Originally posted by Topcat View Post

                        Looks like both Gordon and Elliott are in the same boat...some teams are shying away from giving RB's crazy money, when you can pick up a FA or draft a guy in round 3-4 who will do just about as good...invest in O-line, and a good O-line will make even an average back look good...
                        100% agree.

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                        • FoutsFan
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                          Originally posted by Topcat View Post

                          Looks like both Gordon and Elliott are in the same boat...some teams are shying away from giving RB's crazy money, when you can pick up a FA or draft a guy in round 3-4 who will do just about as good...invest in O-line, and a good O-line will make even an average back look good...
                          I agree, I am a big Gordon fan but not a fan of giving a huge contract. If he wants to keep playing in LA for a very reasonable contract then great. If not well bye and Jackson steps in or we get another young RB in the draft.

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