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  • EnglishBolt
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    #13
    Originally posted by Fleet View Post
    TT has been drafting incredibly well lately, hopefully the latest class is the same.

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    • NoMoreChillies
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      #14
      loving these vids

      thx for sharing

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      • richpjr
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        #15
        Originally posted by EnglishBolt View Post

        TT has been drafting incredibly well lately, hopefully the latest class is the same.
        He is, and this also goes to show you how bad of a GM Elway is.

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        • Formula 21
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          #16
          How many Super Bowls did Elway get to as GM? What's his record against us as a GM?
          Drafting isn't everything, especially if you're always drafting late.
          Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
          The Wasted Decade is done.
          Build Back Better.

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          • EnglishBolt
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            #17
            Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
            How many Super Bowls did Elway get to as GM? What's his record against us as a GM?
            Drafting isn't everything, especially if you're always drafting late.
            Signing Peyton Manning does help a bit

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            • Formula 21
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              #18
              Originally posted by EnglishBolt View Post

              Signing Peyton Manning does help a bit
              Getting players any way you can is his job. Any many fans thought Manning was done, he didn't.
              Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
              The Wasted Decade is done.
              Build Back Better.

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              • EnglishBolt
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                #19
                So we just forget all of the QBs he drafted and expensive free agencies or trades he made in the last few years?

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                • Formula 21
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                  #20
                  Originally posted by EnglishBolt View Post
                  So we just forget all of the QBs he drafted and expensive free agencies or trades he made in the last few years?
                  Yep. Because winning counts more than drafting.
                  Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                  The Wasted Decade is done.
                  Build Back Better.

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                  • Fleet
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                    #21
                    Originally posted by EnglishBolt View Post

                    TT has been drafting incredibly well lately, hopefully the latest class is the same.
                    I think this draft class is pretty solid. The roster is loaded. Im still a little concerned about the OL. But he seems to think its fine. Time will tell. Hes not perfect. I hope Pipkins isnt another failed 3rd round OL pick by TT. Feeney should continue to get better.

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                    • EnglishBolt
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                      #22
                      Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post

                      Yep. Because winning counts more than drafting.
                      Well, I'll wait to see if he can do it again before I judge.

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                      • Boltjolt
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                        #23
                        Originally posted by EnglishBolt View Post

                        Signing Peyton Manning does help a bit
                        That and he had the second pick in the draft getting Von Miller and drafting early in every round. Still had some bad picks.
                        Drafted Raheem Moore at 45. Moore was awful his last year in college. He had one good college season but seems it was more luck than skill.
                        That same draft he picked Orlando Franklin. He was Meh for them and bad for us.
                        Elway seems to be better with signing vets though Keenum wasn't good.
                        I'm not a big fan of Lock either so his string of picking bad QBs early can continue.

                        Manning was his best move by far.
                        Last edited by Boltjolt; 05-12-2019, 03:52 PM.
                        11 Brock Bowers TE - Georgia
                        35 Kris Jenkins DT - Michigan
                        37 Cooper Beebe OG -Kansas st
                        66 Mike Sainristil CB - Michigan
                        69 Jaylen Wright RB - Tenn or Blake Corum - Michigan
                        105 Brenden Rice WR - USC
                        110 Cedric Gray LB - N. Carolina
                        140 Hunter Nourzad OC - Penn st
                        181 Cedrick Johnson Edge - Mississippi
                        225 Josh Procter S-Ohio st /253 Dwight McGlothern CB -Ar​

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                        • Topcat
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                          #24
                          Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                          That and he has the second pick in the draft getting Von Miller and drafting early in every round. Still had some bad picks.
                          Drafted Raheem Moore at 45. Moore was awful his last year in college. He had one good college season but seems it was more luck than skill.
                          That same draft he picked Orlando Franklin. He was Meh for them and bad for us.
                          Elway seems to be better with signing vets though Keenum wasn't good.
                          I'm not a big fan of Lock either so his string of picking bad QBs early can continue.

                          Manning was his best move by far.
                          Here's an article grading Elway on his drafts. His first two were good; after that, it's been up and down. Here's an eval. of the 2017 draft: 2017 draft scores

                          Garett Bolles: +1
                          *DeMarcus Walker: -2*
                          Carlos Henderson: -4
                          Brendan Langley: -2*
                          Jake Butt: 0
                          Isaiah McKenzie: 0
                          De'Angelo Henderson: 0
                          Chad Kelly: 0

                          Total: -7

                          I won't be going over 2017 draft classes in my comparisons between Elway and others who make personnel decisions. However, I wanted to grade this class for additional perspective.

                          At this point, only Garett Bolles looks like he will have a chance to live up to expectations for the round in which he was taken -- but that will mean he needs to play well enough to merit an extension beyond his rookie deal.

                          But it's too late for Carlos Henderson, who goes down as another draft bust for Elway. And it's not looking good for DeMarcus Walker, who has yet to crack the starting lineup.

                          Perhaps Brendan Langley can make up ground if he catches on at wide receiver. But until then, we are looking at a draft class with four players taken in the first two days in which one is already a bust and the others are, at this time, dragging down Elway's draft score.

                          There are a lot of misconceptions about John Elway as a drafter. The time has come to go back and do the research to grade Elway's draft resume.






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