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  • Cdn Bolt
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    CBS AFCW Offseason grades: LAC C+

    Good article and seems like a pretty good assessment. I wasn't so concerned about losing WR Tyrel Williams as much as leaving the OL at the status quo. They gave the Broncos an A-. I think the division is going to be very close this year given the most needy teams made the most moves.

    Los Angeles Chargers
    The Chargers had the opposite record (12-4) to that of the Raiders (4-12), and basically had the opposite offseason. Minimal losses. Minimal splashes. Stay the course. That doesn't mean Los Angeles crushed the past few months building its roster. There's a caveat though. The Chargers are trying to do something exceedingly difficult: Go from a playoff team to a Super Bowl team.

    I'll start with what I liked, which was the signing of Thomas Davis. Why? Because Los Angeles has a young, athletic collection of linebackers, yet that position represented a weak spot on the roster as none of those defenders had really emerged as a star. Davis can still play, and his role as a mentor can't be ignored.

    Losing Williams without finding a legitimate replacement was puzzling, although 2017 first-rounder Mike Williams came on late in 2018, slowing deep threat Travis Benjamin was re-signed, and tight end Hunter Henry is set to return from a serious injury that caused him to miss all of last year.

    After a dull and probably a net negative free-agency period, the Chargers knocked one out of the park with Jerry Tillery in Round 1. While he's nearly 6-7, he's the refined, athletic, high-motor interior pass rusher the team desperately needed. Nasir Adderely was a flashy selection in Round 2, and he'll make plays across the field in coverage as a replacement for Jahleel Addae.

    The Chargers didn't have a bad offseason. Not in the least. I just don't know if they did enough to get over that playoff hump and advance to a Super Bowl. But maybe all they need is a relatively healthy season to get there.

    Offseason grade: C+

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a...argers-chiefs/
    Last edited by Cdn Bolt; 06-02-2019, 11:53 AM.
  • SYB
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    #2
    Guy seems to be weighing the loss of Tyrell a little too much, IMO. With the late emergence of MW and the return of Henry, his role was going to be reduced anyhow. And we also have some promising young talent in Scott and Cantrell, who may deliver big if given a chance.

    And Liuget isn't technically a loss until he actually signs somewhere else. :shrug: He could still be back.

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    • Cdn Bolt
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      #3
      The last thing this team seems to ever need to worry about is passing. Our passing O is usually ranked in at least the top 10 if not the top 5. It is the lines and D that are usually our weaker areas (pass rush aside) .
      Last edited by Cdn Bolt; 06-02-2019, 02:58 PM.

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      • Boltjolt
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        #4
        Articles mean nothing when the writers aren't familiar with the teams they write about.
        Still having Tyrell would make us better but if Cantrell can be any where close to the praise Kingsbury bestowed upon him, we will have a good one and won't miss Tyrell that much.

        Not to mention just need better luck in the health department and we can beat anyone.
        Last edited by Boltjolt; 06-02-2019, 02:33 PM.

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          #5
          Liuget hasn't exactly been super productive in his career. He was getting there, but even his prime production as some time ago. Addae was as useful play at SS, but marginal at FS. Darius Phillon was a solid rotational player, but again, his production is about what you would expect for a guy who played the number of snaps he did. Gates may still come back, but his production really tailed off as the season went on. In the end, the losses really don't add too much outside of Tyrell Williams. I think you make up the production there via several players, TE, RB, WR.....


          As far as the other teams go...

          Broncos - it's hard to get too excited with their FA. Bryce Callahan is the NFC equivalent of Desmond King, so that could be good, except that Harris is at his best inside in the nickel. They really overpaid for Juwan James, and he is not that great a player even when he is playing relatively well. Flacco is not much of an upgrade at QB, and they don't have any weapons for him. Jackson is slightly small for a CB, but really pretty small for a SS, and doesn't play much FS. Munchak is one of the best OL coaches in football, so a plus there. Bradley Roby was a very good man CB, so switching him with the Texans for Jackson is a step down for the Broncos. Matt Paradis is a very good C, so they will have to develop a new one. Everyone points to how great Fant is, but we did a good job of shutting down Kelcie last season (thanks to Derwin James), so while it helps the team, it doesn't seem like a huge mistmatch for us. Risner will probably turn into a fine OL, but is he ready to do it from day 1? Lock is a developmental project on a team that has spent a lot of draft capital in the last few years at QB (and TE). Jones needs to do a better job with his hands to be an NFL DT.

          Chiefs - Ford for Clark is about a break even, only KC spent a lot of draft capital to make the move. Tyrann Mathieu is a good CB/S hybrid, but they need more help in their DB room (lost Eric Berry), and the Honey Badger is kinda beat up. Juan Thornhill is a nice addition, but it is kinda the Dutch kid with his finger in the dike. Hardaman has the speed you want at WR, but lacks just about everything else. Saunder is very raw, so it is hard to think he plays much of a role, especially with Nnadi playing reasonably well last season, and Jones is all world. I don't see how Conner fits into their D. Losing Mitch Morse hurts probably the best OL in the AFC. Ogabah and Okafor need to step up and be quality guys, because they really need another DE to line up opposite Clark. They will miss Hunt, although their RB were still productive in place of him late last year. Breeland is so up and down, it shows how desperate KC is in the secondary. The big loss could be Hill, who could have legal problems and/or an NFL suspension coming, which would really hurt them.

          Oakland - Terrell WIlliams is getting a lot of attention because he can be a downfield threat, but they had that in Cooper, and Carr couldn't find a way to make that work. He is not a good downfield thrower. Plus, if things go badly, how long till Brown throws another tantrum? They lost Donald Penn and Osemele, so things will probably still be hard on Kolton Miller, who was awful last year. Trent Brown had a great year in NE, but Carr likes to hold the ball and wait for his receivers to uncover, which means Brown is really going to have to hold his blocks a lot longer than last year. Johnathan Abrams is a good prospect, but Oak already has 2 S in Lamarcus Joyner and Karl Joseph, so there is a limit to how much time he may see. Joyner has also spent a ton of his time down in the box, man to man vs the slot WR, so that puts Both Joseph and Abrams at SS, so who will play FS? CB is still a problem for the Raiders, even if Conley continues to plays well, which he has struggled to consistently do because of injuries. They drafted Mullins to play CB in the top of the 2nd round, but the Raiders D is tough for rookies to play in because it is fairly complicated. I think they probably added the most talent, but they continued to hemorrhage some solid players, before finally adding some good players via the draft. They need a few more drafts, and the Raiders schemes do not favor rookies coming in and playing a lot early.

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          • Steve
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            #6
            Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
            Articles mean nothing when the writers aren't familiar with the teams they write about.
            Still having Tyrell would make us better but if Cantrell can be any where close to the praise Kingsbury bestowed upon him, we will have a good one and won't miss Tyrell that much.

            Not to mention just need better luck in the health department and we can beat anyone.
            The luck thing is always true when it comes to health.

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            • Xenos
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              #7
              Originally posted by Cdn Bolt View Post
              Good article and seems like a pretty good assessment. I wasn't so concerned about losing WR Tyrel Williams as much as leaving the OL at the status quo. They gave the Broncos an A-. I think the division is going to be very close this year given the most needy teams made the most moves.

              Los Angeles Chargers
              The Chargers had the opposite record (12-4) to that of the Raiders (4-12), and basically had the opposite offseason. Minimal losses. Minimal splashes. Stay the course. That doesn't mean Los Angeles crushed the past few months building its roster. There's a caveat though. The Chargers are trying to do something exceedingly difficult: Go from a playoff team to a Super Bowl team.

              I'll start with what I liked, which was the signing of Thomas Davis. Why? Because Los Angeles has a young, athletic collection of linebackers, yet that position represented a weak spot on the roster as none of those defenders had really emerged as a star. Davis can still play, and his role as a mentor can't be ignored.

              Losing Williams without finding a legitimate replacement was puzzling, although 2017 first-rounder Mike Williams came on late in 2018, slowing deep threat Travis Benjamin was re-signed, and tight end Hunter Henry is set to return from a serious injury that caused him to miss all of last year.

              After a dull and probably a net negative free-agency period, the Chargers knocked one out of the park with Jerry Tillery in Round 1. While he's nearly 6-7, he's the refined, athletic, high-motor interior pass rusher the team desperately needed. Nasir Adderely was a flashy selection in Round 2, and he'll make plays across the field in coverage as a replacement for Jahleel Addae.

              The Chargers didn't have a bad offseason. Not in the least. I just don't know if they did enough to get over that playoff hump and advance to a Super Bowl. But maybe all they need is a relatively healthy season to get there.

              Offseason grade: C+

              https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a...argers-chiefs/
              I feel articles like these place too much emphasize on FA pickups.

              Here's a good counterargument:
              NFL fans love free agency. You can hear it on sports talk radio all the time. Whenever a big-name player becomes available, fans imagine how they would fit with their favorite teams. They applaud t…

              To be clear, sometimes the high-priced approach has worked. After the Broncos lost the Super Bowl to the Seahawks following the 2013 season, John Elway hit free agency hard and two years later delivered a Super Bowl victory.

              Just last season, the Bears got to 12-4 after spending nearly $125 million in free agency and were a missed field goal away from reaching the second round of the playoffs.

              But in most cases, free agency turns out to be a costly fling. Consider the following:

              -- Of the 49 highest-paid players in 2016 free agency, only 14 remain on the teams that signed them.

              -- Of the 60 highest-paid players in 2017 free agency, only 22 remain.

              -- Of players from the 2018 free agent class who received $5 million per year or more, 14 are already no longer with the teams that signed them.
              In fact, the entire 2018 unrestricted free agent class produced just two Pro Bowlers last season, and neither was a starter -- special teamers Andre Roberts (Jets, now with the Bills) and Michael Thomas (Giants). Colts tight end Eric Ebron and Chargers center Mike Pouncey also made it, but they were street free agents, not unrestricted.

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              • Formula 21
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                #8
                TT has the eye for talent that's for sure. Nice pickup with Pouncey who we desperately needed. He paid him well and Pouncey produced. Same with Okung.
                Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                The Wasted Decade is done.
                Build Back Better.

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                • Steve
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
                  TT has the eye for talent that's for sure. Nice pickup with Pouncey who we desperately needed. He paid him well and Pouncey produced. Same with Okung.
                  He is currently the 13th highest paid C, which puts him at the end of the top C cluster. IT depends on what you mean in terms of well paid, but more of the bottom middle of the pack for the established vets.

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                  • Cdn Bolt
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Steve View Post
                    As far as the other teams go...

                    Broncos - Flacco is not much of an upgrade at QB, and they don't have any weapons for him. Everyone points to how great Fant is, but we did a good job of shutting down Kelcie last season (thanks to Derwin James), so while it helps the team, it doesn't seem like a huge mistmatch for us. Risner will probably turn into a fine OL, but is he ready to do it from day 1? Lock is a developmental project on a team that has spent a lot of draft capital in the last few years at QB (and TE). Jones needs to do a better job with his hands to be an NFL DT.
                    I think they have enough to beat us at home and have some decent weapons. Flacco, Emmanuel Sanders, Courtland Sutton, Phillip Lindsey, Royce Freeman, Jeff Huerman, Fant etc. Enough to spread it around. Case Keenum was awful last year. Flacco IMO is much more seasoned. I think we are better and it will be btw us and KC but wouldn't count on a sure W in Mile High. Maybe not even in OAK. Really think there is some parity now.
                    Last edited by Cdn Bolt; 06-02-2019, 07:13 PM.

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                    • Bolts4ever213
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                      #11
                      Who reads CBS? Jk but no really

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                      • Steve
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cdn Bolt View Post

                        I think they have enough to beat us at home and have some decent weapons. Flacco, Emmanuel Sanders, Courtland Sutton, Phillip Lindsey, Royce Freeman, Jeff Huerman, Fant etc. Enough to spread it around. Case Keenum was awful last year. Flacco IMO is much more seasoned. I think we are better and it will be btw us and KC but wouldn't count on a sure W in Mile High. Maybe not even in OAK. Really think there is some parity now.
                        The Broncos problem is the OL really. That is the way it has been, and they still don't look like they have fixed it much. They had weapons last year, and Keenum isn't/wasn't a complete moron. The OL play is just so uneven, that QB have trouble going through their progressions and make bad decisions. Flacco will be better than Keenum, but he struggled in Baltimore when he didn't have much protection.

                        We lost one game to Denver last year. We really did outplay them, but in the end couldn't finish them off. I think we can beat them handily if we make them play our game. If we can get a lead and then let Bosa and Ingram tee off, then we should be fine. We just can't let them hang around and keep running the ball, taking the occasional shot down the field. Their D is too good and makes too many plays. They will make a few plays a game. if we have them pinned in their end of the feild, then those plays don't matter much. If they happen in our end, we lose.

                        I don't get a good read on Oakland. Again, their scheme's are not very rookie friendly, so they seem to be counting on them to come in and provide an instant input of talent, and I am not sure it will happen right away. Everyone was pretty pleased with their draft last year, but they didn't get much help from it.

                        KC a lot depends on Hill.

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