2019 Other NFL and Super Bowl Discussion

[jamrock]

Bag interference?

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/establishment-clause

It’s your phrasing of the idea that was confusing.

[Charge!]

Sorry, but I cannot get on board with what I perceive as some pretty ridiculous overreactions to Burrow in this thread tonight. IMO, some of you guys simply are not projecting Burrow accurately at the next level.

Thinking that Burrow is going to be the next Elway, or even Andrew Luck, names mentioned in this thread tonight, to me seems like some pretty questionable takes. Elway was supremely physcially gifted, blessed with an absolute cannon of an arm and the ability to run. Luck also had a strong arm and was an above average runner in terms of both strength and speed for a QB. Equally questionable is the notion that somehow it would be Burrow making the Saints or Patriots contenders forever because of what Burrow brings to the table versus what Payton or Belichick, two of the best head coaches in NFL history, bring to the table.

Burrow may turn out to be a fine NFL player, but he is not going to be able to constantly float balls to wide open receivers like he has for much of this season with LSU. The windows will be much tighter and his lack of arm strength, which is fairly obvious, is going to be exposed at least to some degree. Coaches can scheme against a QB's weaknesses as the Titans just did against Lamar Jackson. And worse yet, Burrow does not exactly appear to have a quick release to offset his less than great arm strength (see Rivers, Philip).

I like Burrow's ability to work through progressions and he has some ability to extend plays, so that may help him to offset his lack of arm strength, but in my view, not only is Burrow not the greatest thing since sliced bread, he presents as a pretty substantial bust potential at the next level in terms of carrying the expected value of a #1 overall pick. That does not mean that he will not be able to compete in the NFL, just that there is a very real possibility that his NFL career will be nothing at all like what some of you seem to think it is going to be. He may end up being one of those players that is a great college QB, but not a great NFL QB. And that is just way too much risk for a player to be worthy of the #1 overall pick.

And to be clear, I am not talking about the kind of risk that every NFL draft pick carries. In my view, a player being discussed as a top 5 and potential #1 overall pick needs to be an elite player that is a virtual lock to be a great player at the NFL level. No matter how anyone tries to spin it, the fact that Burrow can't spin it, makes him a greater risk than what would be ideal for an early first round pick.

Not only would I not trade 3 first round picks (or more) for Burrow, I would not select Burrow if I had the first pick overall and I would not draft him at #6 overall either. That said, I can see how a desperate Bengals team would be willing to roll the dice and hope that Burrow could overcome his limitations, especially as Dalton appears to have fallen out of favor with their current coaches.

Still, the reality is that Dwayne Haskins beat out Joe Burrow at Ohio State, which is why Burrow had to transfer to LSU in the first place. And if Washington took Burrow with the #2 overall pick in this year's draft (which is unlikely), Haskins would likely beat Burrow out all over again.

Also, my expectation is that Lawrence, if given an equal team with which to compete (which he clearly did not have tonight), is and always will be better than Burrow.

In terms of the 2020 draft, I do not want the Chargers to take a QB at all because none of them are as good as Rivers still is. However, if the Chargers do take a QB with the #6 overall pick, I would rather have Herbert than either Burrow or Tagovailoa, though I do not love any of the three as safe franchise QB prospects.

Sorry, burt You could not be more wrong........ Hebert cannot throw accurately to anyone except his first read...... Hebert is the typical big strong fast QB who will light up the combine, like many other QB failures in the past like drunkenmiller, and some of the bad QB's denver has drafted,,,,,, Hebert will flop in NFL..... he was an Oregon RPO QB who never played against a great defense..... Burrow is a pro style QB with mobility.......

Burrow has a very strong NFL arm, not the rocket arm of inaccurate QB's like Allen or Hebert..... he throws deep balls up high where receivers run under them like wilson and mahomes do...... he throws slants with zip...... he makes many tight throws...... he has done this against the best defenses in college football..... and you cant compare burrow to jackson...... jackson has no accuracy......

Burrow is also very quick on his feet, much like mahomes...... Burrow is a better pocket passer than mahomes but mahomes throws better on run and from all kinds of weird/awkward positions ....

put Burrow in NO, NE, or KC and he would star for many years...... because of his talent, and because of the coaching and brilliant systems..... and the coaches know how to build teams......

Haskins sucks as a QB in college and in pros...... keeping haskins over Burrow at ohio state was a huge blunder...... haskins is an RPO QB..... so is the clemson QB, who so many people seem to love...... but they are not in same ballpark as Burrow......

All of the experts in NFL and media have Burrow as a cant miss super star pro style QB.......... its not just my idea......

[Gwynning_Spirit]

Burrow has not been picked yet.
Until the Bengals actual stay put and pick him.
There is an ridiculous imaginary dream of a super slim chance Telesco finds out what they Bengals YES point is for a trade of #1 overall.
And pays the price to make the deal happen.

I hope that one stays just a ridiculous imaginary dream.

[21&500]

I can’t wait...
The Los Angeles Chargers trades every tradable pick for the foreseeable future and player under contract to the Cincinnati Bengals for the first overall pick in 2020
Burrow drops back, slings the bullet to... wait for it... Himself for the TD!!

[Critty]

Its not hard to test the water.
During off season when teams talk and make moves.
Pick up the phone and call.
If the dont pick up. Or they laugh and hang up. That is ok. You did your due diligence.
But if they dont hang up right away.........and admit they are listening to other teams offers. Then beat every offer and see if they accept. Again if nothing happens. You did your due diligence.

But if you dont call or make offers and another team does and acquires the #1. You will look stupid if you say we did not think they would field calls for the pick so we didn't even try.

[jamrock]

I don’t know if we can get Burrow but I’d sure as shit call Joe Brady

and Carolina didn't wait.

[jamrock]

Its more likely we get Andy Dalton than Joe Burrow

[richpjr]

Its more likely we get Andy Dalton than Joe Burrow

I just threw up in my mouth...

[jamrock]

I just threw up in my mouth...

Sorry man. Just keeping it R E A L

[wu-dai clan]

Sorry man. Just keeping it R E A L

The Red Rifle ?
Andrew Gregory Dalton ?
To LAC ?

LOL.

He's following Bill Lazor to the Bears.

:chuckle:

[jamrock]

The Red Rifle ?
Andrew Gregory Dalton ?
To LAC ?

LOL.

He's following Bill Lazor to the Bears.

:chuckle:

I ain't saying he's coming. Just saying between Burrow and Dalton we have a better chance to get Dalton.

[wu-dai clan]

I ain't saying he's coming. Just saying between Burrow and Dalton we have a better chance to get Dalton.

jamrock, I believe this is gonna be the craziest Charger off season ever.

UFAs will come play at SoFi.
The Vegas Draft will dazzle us.

Anything and everything is on the table.

TT understands the importance of the QB position.

How much Eugene Klein does young John Spanos have in him,
and how much John Lynch ?