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[Topcat]

Exactly - I have said Telesco held on the Mebane and Pouncey a year too long; I hope he doesn't do the same with all three of Hayward, Joseph and Harris. In my world view, he can keep 1 at most but I am using the cap space for better players - forget the sentiment s**t.

Also might allow some flexibility in the draft as right now, if Telesco keeps all three veterans, the draft has to be OT plus CB, DL, OL and Edge. But say you cut Hayward & Harris, bring back Davis but sign a CB to a multi-year deal (Griffin or Darby) - maybe CB is not the need early as you have two CBs in their prime

Also, don't be afraid to try to play the comp game. Sign a guy on a one year make good contract like the Rams did with Floyd if thats the best option. Maybe next year they leave but at least you get the comp pick. Or in free agency, you have two options, they both work, one guy was released, the other a free agent, sign the released guy if he will be just as good.

Yep..."The Comp Game"...Cheatriots are masters of it...two comp picks this year, and FOUR last year...

[Bolt4Knob]

Yep..."The Comp Game"...Cheatriots are masters of it...

Its like Telesco is still in frigging grade school and Eric DeCosta is already getting his PhD though in his role only a few years. I wonder, does Telesco not see how other teams operate with the draft, comp picks and the salary cap is more Ed Maguire but the data is out there at disposal. Jason from OTC; Warren Sharp also

[Boltjolt]

I think that was from nflrumors which is a gossip site.

Oh ok, i didnt recall where it came from. Jut saw it here.

[Bolt4Knob]

Yep..."The Comp Game"...Cheatriots are masters of it...two comp picks this year, and FOUR last year...

Here is a chart from Warren Sharp with a tweet. Look at the Chargers. Tommy T and John Boy are grade school. That means he is not hitting on draft picks because they aren't getting to free agency. Or the team is not developing talent to get to free agency. But when you trade draft picks, whiff on picks, draft from Notre Dame or Sammy Small School -= you aren't going to win the comp game.

think about this: there are 7 teams that have won 65% of their games the last 5 years 4 of those 7 rank top-5 in draft value received from comp picks ...you know, the free draft picks the NFL doles out each year when you let FAs walk let's discuss: https://nbcsports.com/edge/article/offseason-research/value-nfl-comp-picks-2021…

[Heatmiser]

B4K, could the Telesco rating also result from the Chargers drafting and resigning their own players so they don’t get to free agency? And perhaps because they manage their cap fairly well, they don’t lose key players each year? The downside is not making splashy FA signings but it keeps the cap clean.

Or am I just totally misreading what that chart is saying?

TG

[Heatmiser]

Yep..."The Comp Game"...Cheatriots are masters of it...two comp picks this year, and FOUR last year...

Belicheck has shown that he can win with subpar players. At least while he had Brady. And those supbar players look pretty good in New England— good enough for other teams to come after them when their contracts are up. But Belicheck knows they are not that good. So they walk, other NFL teams hurt themselves by overpaying for subpar players who cannot succeed away from Belicheck and he just plugs in more subpar players who out perform for him. And he gets draft picks in the process. Pretty nice system.

TG

[Bolt4Knob]

B4K, could the Telesco rating also result from the Chargers drafting and resigning their own players so they don’t get to free agency? And perhaps because they manage their cap fairly well, they don’t lose key players each year? The downside is not making splashy FA signings but it keeps the cap clean.

Or am I just totally misreading what that chart is saying?

TG

That is a fair point. But I think the bigger part is how many players that Telesco have drafted have left for free agency to bigger pots of gold on another team. I just am not sure the Chargers have had players coveted by other teams. And combined with him missing on many in the 3rd and 4th round, trading away those picks - the Chargers are lower in the scale. And because if you miss on draft picks, you make up for it by signing guys in free agency. Which negates comp picks

I am critical of Telesco but it seems other teams, like the Ravens - get comp picks and are still competitive. I think because they have drafted better.

[Formula 21]

Pick up FAs trying to bounce back on cheap one year deals. Let them walk as FAs in the second year and get a comp pick when another team signs them. Easy. Get a cheap year's service and a comp pick. Create value where none existed.

[Topcat]

Pick up FAs trying to bounce back on cheap one year deals. Let them walk as FAs in the second year and get a comp pick when another team signs them. Easy. Get a cheap year's service and a comp pick. Create value where none existed.

There should be plenty of those cheap 1-year rentals this year, with all those teams in salary cap hell, not-re-signing players...if ever a year there was for playing the Comp Game, this is it...

[Topcat]

Here is a chart from Warren Sharp with a tweet. Look at the Chargers. Tommy T and John Boy are grade school. That means he is not hitting on draft picks because they aren't getting to free agency. Or the team is not developing talent to get to free agency. But when you trade draft picks, whiff on picks, draft from Notre Dame or Sammy Small School -= you aren't going to win the comp game.

think about this: there are 7 teams that have won 65% of their games the last 5 years 4 of those 7 rank top-5 in draft value received from comp picks ...you know, the free draft picks the NFL doles out each year when you let FAs walk let's discuss: https://nbcsports.com/edge/article/offseason-research/value-nfl-comp-picks-2021…

Wow, that chart is very telling...TT needs to pick it up this year...

[Bolt4Knob]

Wow, that chart is very telling...TT needs to pick it up this year...

Not only in free agency, but the draft and if possibly, playing the comp game. Again, if there are two players out there and are close enough in value it doesn't matter - maybe pick the player released and not a true free agent.

[Boltjolt]

Wow, that chart is very telling...TT needs to pick it up this year...

Dallas still sux and they are way up there lol. So does Philly and the Bengals always suck lol

Misleading chart.