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[Heatmiser]

Wow! Etienne out for the season. Hurt his foot in the game last night.

TG

[CivilBolt]

Wow! Etienne out for the season. Hurt his foot in the game last night.

TG

That’s a big blow. Now Lawrence need to pick up more slack. Not looking good for Urban’s debut.

[Panamamike]

That’s a big blow. Now Lawrence need to pick up more slack. Not looking good for Urban’s debut.

Robinson and Hyde will do fine.

[Bolt4Knob]

Robinson and Hyde will do fine.

It was always an odd draft pick for a team that has a lot of holes and with Robinson - they had a very solid dependable RB. Now I get the idea of taking BPA - but its seems FRont 7 or a DB or anything but QB, P, K or RB made a lot of sense!

[Formula 21]

I would have loved to see Etienne here. Big loss.

[Heatmiser]

The Athletic reporting Raiders approached Bears in March seeking to acquire Khalihl Mack via trade. How stupid are the Raiders? And why trade for him now? Why not wait until he is 47 years old and has been retired for a decade. That’s the Gruden way

TG

[CivilBolt]

The Athletic reporting Raiders approached Bears in March seeking to acquire Khalihl Mack via trade. How stupid are the Raiders? And why trade for him now? Why not wait until he is 47 years old and has been retired for a decade. That’s the Gruden way

TG

You don’t realize what you have until they are gone :goofylol:

[Boltjolt]

Wow! Etienne out for the season. Hurt his foot in the game last night.

TG

But ,....don't players need reps in preseason? :shrug:

[equivocation]

Injuries can happen at any time. Preseason/practice reps are always about whether the benefit is worth the risk.

[Velo]

https://dolphinnation.com/2021/08/24/nfl-agent-predicts-tua-tagovailoa-wont-last-with-miami-dolphins-because-hes-not-who-they-thought-he-was/?fbclid=IwAR24g6PCCloPFbaFY-QG9HgAz9qP3gTIsd1XPuQ7KSfwXMpgkzhxsjR2hk0

Anonymous agent predicts the 'Fins will move on from Tua relatively quickly because "he's not who they thought he was."

[Formula 21]

I'd take a flyer on Derwin Gray over Pipkins any day. He's a good pass blocker, poor run blocker. Just a massive man with long arms.

Jaguars Release Former Steelers Draft Pick

In other news from Tuesday, the Jacksonville Jaguars released ex-Steelers offensive tackle Derwin Gray, as per NFL reporter Aaron Wilson.


The Jaguars claimed Gray on waivers last December when Pittsburgh added inside linebacker Tegray Scales to its 53-man roster.

The Steelers had waived the 2019 seventh-round pick a day earlier, making it the second time in two seasons that the Pittsburgh lost a promising young lineman via a waiver claim. In Oct. 2019 the Steelers lost offensive tackle Fred Johnson to the Cincinnati Bengals; he has since played in 18 games for the Bengals, with seven starts, including one at left tackle against the Steelers.

By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst


Prospect Info


College
Maryland
Hometown

Class

r-Senior

Height

Weight

Arms


6' 4 1/2"

320 lbs

34 3/8"


Hands
9 5/8"


Draft Projection
Rounds 6-7

NFL Comparison
Donovan Smith

Overview
Teams love big tackles with movement skills, but Gray offers a little more challenge for evaluators. His lack of bend causes deficiencies in sustaining blocks and in landing blocks on the move. However, in pass protection, he makes good usage of his size and his length and he might be able to hang in as a left tackle rather than the assumed push to the right side because of his size. He could go from solid to good as a starter if an offensive line coach can improve his consistency in the run game.

Strengths

• Massive human with broad chest, long arms and good thickness through thighs
• His size equals power
• Takes defenders on a short ride when he centers the block and runs his feet
• Able to match brute strength with brute strength at the point of attack
• Battering ram power on down blocks to blow the run lane wide open
• Surprisingly rapid slide quickness in his pass sets
• Shows adequate ability to redirect his weight and engage inside counter rushers
• Pass sets feature flat back, balanced feet and his chin tucked
• Efficient punch timing and able to make opponents catch his full length
• Heavy hands force edge rushers into an early regroup when he lands first
• Uses length and power for recovery to bully rushers beyond the pocket
• Active in re-setting hands into defender's frame and cinching up the jersey to secure and end the pass rush

Weaknesses

• Production as run blocker not as consistent as scouts would like
• Tightness in hips and knees prevents leveraged initial strikes and allows defenders to slide laterally away sustained contact
• Can improve post-contact positioning to kick out and seal B-gap in run game
• Initial lateral movement is sluggish and he could struggle with slants and reach blocks
• Tall and lumbering in climb to second level
• Effectiveness wanes when asked to move behind tight quarters
• Opens outside hip and shoulder too quickly versus wide-9 looks, allowing for easier inside counters
• Below-average awareness to recognize when he's being "gamed" by twists and zone blitz

https://twitter.com/i/status/1103777597966696448

[Formula 21]

TT get this man.

The backup OL to watch


The Jaguars' offensive line is already well-known by fans. The starting five hasn't changed in three years, key backups Will Richardson and Tyler Shatley have held consistent roles on the depth chart, and Ben Bartch was a fourth-round pick just a year ago. As a result, it is harder for some of the other lineman to standout.

That wasn't the case on Wednesday, however, with the standout depth lineman for the day being none of Shatley, Bartch, or Richardson. Instead, it was third-round lineman Derwin Gray. Gray, who has taken reps at guard in camp, was claimed on waivers by the Jaguars last December after flashing with the Pittsburgh Steelers. He did the same on Wednesday, showing serious movement ability in the running game and having a few dominating wins in one-on-ones against Daniel Ross and Kenny Randall early in practice. The Jaguars have a crowded depth chart, but Gray has impressed with pads on thanks to his power.

Only one surprise in the trenches: Tre'Vour Wallace-Simms, not Derwin Gray, is listed as second-team OL


One of the Jaguars' most impressive backup offensive linemen is a third-stringer based on the unofficial depth chart. But for all other intents and purposes, the Jaguars' offensive line order is just as expected. The offensive line has had some of the fewest question marks in terms of roster turnover and starting roles, in large part because of the continuity along the unit. The Jaguars' offensive line is exactly as expected at nine spots -- the Jaguars are returning five starters, three key backups from a year ago and Walker Little's spot is clear.

With that said, it is surprising to see Tre'Vour Wallace-Simms -- and not Derwin Gray -- listed as a second-team guard. This is likely a result of Andrew Norwell and Ben Bartch taking the first two left guard spots, but Gray has shown enough in camp to at least earn a symbolic spot with the second team. Again, this could be due to semantics, but Gray has been the team's 10th best lineman in camp -- and maybe even better.