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[21&500]

Ross paying him under the table to lose games is the biggest takeaway here IMO, that could get Ross in serious trouble. Otherwise, I don’t see much here to back up the racial discrimination claims. Employment discrimination claims are notoriously hard to prove in court, I expect Flores and his lawyers understand that and just want to make a point.

Force sell worthy if true, imo

[Topcat]

So much to unpack here.

To Steve Wyche….lots of people take interviews knowing they are a long shot for the job but hoping to at least gain the experience. It has even happened to me and I am white and not an NFL HC candidate. It’s just the way the job market works and the higher the position the more it happens.

I was surprised when Flores was fired. I was even more surprised when he was hired. But I think he demonstrated he is a pretty good head coach. Way better than Joe Judge that’s for sure.

I was not surprised to read that Elway was late, disheveled, and hung over. It is a pretty consistent rumor that Elway unfortunately has a drinking problem. And the Broncos under his leadership had other execs with the same. Remember one drove into a parked police cruiser.

The NFL and the teams can probably trot out all kinds of documentation and witnesses that will counter what Flores is saying. And remember he didn’t get a job so he will be perceived to have an axe to grind. But the NFL cannot win this one. Being publicly called a racist is hard to come back from, no matter what, today. And the NFL cannot afford image problems.

I don’t have data in front of me, but it sure looks like the NFL hires black head coaches and coordinators and front office people. The trending is all in the right direction. Think about how many teams have had or currently have black head coaches. Raiders, Tampa, Indy, Steelers, Browns, Chiefs, Broncos, Dolphins, Vikings, Jets, Texans, Bengals, 49ers, Chargers. Is that half the league yet? And that is just off the top of my head, I am sure I am leaving some out. I just think it will be very hard for FLores to prove anything legally other than maybe the Giants broke an NFL rule. I don’t think he can prove discrimination.

And how appropriate that the king of all cheaters, rule breakers and complying with the rule but neither the spirit or intent, Bill Belicheck is in the middle of this.

NFL has got to be hating this. They want all the talk to be about hyping the Super Bowl and Brady did what he did when he did it, Now Flores. All that is missing is for Bob Kraft to get a massage.

TG

Belicheat...involved in:

Spygate
Deflategate
IR-Gate
Deceptiongate
Tuckgate
Snowplowgate

And now...

DiscrimiGate

It never ends...

[equivocation]

That might explain why Elway appears to be aging badly. Every time I see him on camera I am surprised at how old he looks, how decrepit his appearance is. This pic is from 2021 when Elway was 60 or 61. I'm a few years older than Elway and I don't look nearly that old. Alcoholism will age a person prematurely. I learned that from my watching my father slip away in his 50s.

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He looks about 80.

[Formula 21]

Who gets a HC job first? Flores or Bieniemy?

Or some random white guy?

[jamrock]

Ross paying him under the table to lose games is the biggest takeaway here IMO, that could get Ross in serious trouble. Otherwise, I don’t see much here to back up the racial discrimination claims. Employment discrimination claims are notoriously hard to prove in court, I expect Flores and his lawyers understand that and just want to make a point.

Agree that Ross could be Stirling’d if that can be proven. No different that fixing games for gambling really. Don’t know what proof Flores has but if he has any Ross is done. He’s already tainted.

discrimination is impossible to prove directly as no one in an NFL front office is going to say I didn’t hire him because he’s black. But the BB texts show that the Giants had no intention of abiding by the league rules. Who know what else he can dig up? If it comes to light that other teams are engaging in the same sham practices the league will have a big black eye. Coupled with Kaepernick, Gruden texts and this, it’s not a good look.

[Bolt4Knob]

Jim Harbaugh apparently got hired by the Vikings.

If Harbaugh is hired by the Vikings that leaves the Texans, Dolphins and Jaguars looking for coaches

Flores is probably not going to Houston now
who knows what is going on in Jags land

Dolphins are down to Mike McDaniel and Kellen Moore. And I ask the question - how are either of those two a step up from Brian Flores? My guess, they aren't.

Josh McCown maybe to the Texans

[Xenos]

If Harbaugh is hired by the Vikings that leaves the Texans, Dolphins and Jaguars looking for coaches

Flores is probably not going to Houston now
who knows what is going on in Jags land

Dolphins are down to Mike McDaniel and Kellen Moore. And I ask the question - how are either of those two a step up from Brian Flores? My guess, they aren't.

Josh McCown maybe to the Texans

Josh McCown is obviously a step up from Flores also lol.

[21&500]

Apparently Hue Jackson wasn't a bad headcoach either
he was following orders to lose....
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[Boltjolt]

Apparently Hue Jackson wasn't a bad headcoach either
he was following orders to loss....

I think He is saying that because he sucked at both HC stops and wants another shot.

I doubt Davis told him to lose at Oakland, he just is a shit HC and he was fired mid season in Cleveland.

[FoutsFan]

He looks about 80.

Its not the years, its the mileage.

[Leslie Grossman]

Or some random white guy?

Probably a random white guy because apparently Andy Reid still calls the plays. In the post game presser after the Bengals loss he said he should have called a better one on the last play of the 1st half debacle.

[Berserker76]

I liked Flores and was hoping he would do well, just not against us. He would be a good fit for the Jags, someone to crack a few heads to get their act together.