Justin Herbert - Bolts Franchise QB Official Discussion

[Steve]

Herbert is not going to be the thing holding the team back from winning a SB. Same as with Rivers, who was easily good enough to win a SB. You can say the same thing about Hadl, Stan and Fouts. All were SB or HOF QB, but that alone is not enough to win it.

It takes a whole team, and Rivers never had a team good enough to win one. Let's hope will can fill the holes around him and get Herbert and the team a win.

RT is a hole in the roster, but the OL needs to get better at working together. The run blocking really shows that they are not doing a great job of working as a single unit. Too much penetration, and unblocked guys blowing up plays in the backfield. Both weeks, we have shown some good to mix in with the bad.

Defense has done well keeping teams out of the end zone, but they are still giving up a lot of chunk plays with mental mistakes. THey need to play with a lot more focus on their technique. Whether it is the DL allowing the RB to run through holes with no defender to stop them, or the DB not being outside on swing passes, we need to make sure the D is doing their jobs on every play at a high level. Just getting lined up is not enough.

[Xenos]

Herbert is not going to be the thing holding the team back from winning a SB. Same as with Rivers, who was easily good enough to win a SB. You can say the same thing about Hadl, Stan and Fouts. All were SB or HOF QB, but that alone is not enough to win it.

It takes a whole team, and Rivers never had a team good enough to win one. Let's hope will can fill the holes around him and get Herbert and the team a win.

RT is a hole in the roster, but the OL needs to get better at working together. The run blocking really shows that they are not doing a great job of working as a single unit. Too much penetration, and unblocked guys blowing up plays in the backfield. Both weeks, we have shown some good to mix in with the bad.

Defense has done well keeping teams out of the end zone, but they are still giving up a lot of chunk plays with mental mistakes. THey need to play with a lot more focus on their technique. Whether it is the DL allowing the RB to run through holes with no defender to stop them, or the DB not being outside on swing passes, we need to make sure the D is doing their jobs on every play at a high level. Just getting lined up is not enough.

The only time Rivers had a good enough team to win it all was 2006 and 2009. Maybe 2018 if we didn’t face the Pats.

[Steve]

The only time Rivers had a good enough team to win it all was 2006 and 2009. Maybe 2018 if we didn’t face the Pats.

The 2006 team just didn't have enough weapons. We really didn't have any top notch WR at that point. When LT and Gates got hurt, we really didn't have a chance. Not that kind you would have wanted. If Brady had gone out and played the worst game of his life or something...

2009, the D wasn't very good.

2018, we had a bottom of the barrel OL.

[equivocation]

2006 was the 14-2 year. Meltdown vs the Pats.

[Xenos]

The 2006 team just didn't have enough weapons. We really didn't have any top notch WR at that point. When LT and Gates got hurt, we really didn't have a chance. Not that kind you would have wanted. If Brady had gone out and played the worst game of his life or something...

2009, the D wasn't very good.

2018, we had a bottom of the barrel OL.

In 2006, we didn’t really need top notch WR because LT and Turner were so good at running the ball. If we had just kept running the ball and doing PA, we would have beaten the Pats. Gates and LT were completely healthy in 2006.

I think the D was good enough in 2009. Our weakness that year was inconsistent rushing offense since LT was on his last legs.

2018 OL was actually solid IMO. We just had no LBs due to injuries.

[UglyTruth]

With 2 more INTs next week, Herbert will have already thrown half the amount of INTs he had all of last season in just the first 3 games of this season.

[equivocation]

Did he throw them through a time machine?

[UglyTruth]

The only time Rivers had a good enough team to win it all was 2006 and 2009. Maybe 2018 if we didn’t face the Pats.

The 2006 team was good enough to win it all but the issue is that it was Rivers 1st year starting in the NFL and played against a very experienced Patriots team in the playoffs. Not to mention the blizzard shit that happened in that game.

2009 was when Kaeding missed like every kick iirc.

Chargers would’ve won in 2007 too if injuries didn’t derail the team completely by the time they played NE. If the Patriots weren’t such a powerhouse that year then who knows I think we could’ve beat any other team quite honestly even with the injuries.

I’ve wondered at times if the Chargers had a kicker of the caliber of Justin Tucker, then how many Super Bows they would’ve won. I do think just a good consistent kicker would be the difference between some of the losses and winning those playoff games.

[powderblueboy]

The 2006 team just didn't have enough weapons. We really didn't have any top notch WR at that point. When LT and Gates got hurt, we really didn't have a chance. Not that kind you would have wanted. If Brady had gone out and played the worst game of his life or something...

2009, the D wasn't very good.

2018, we had a bottom of the barrel OL.

Disagree with you on the 2006 team: who were the wide outs on the Patriots?
Disagree with you on the 2007 team: Turner, Sproles, Jackson & Chambers does not render you weaponless.
Disagree with you on the 2009 team.

But yeah, Rivers career wasted.
Colts will find out this year how good the washed up version was.

[powderblueboy]

One positive about the Dallas game was that Herbert put together a 90+ yard final drive which should have given them the lead.
Like to see that from quarterbacks.

[Xenos]

One positive about the Dallas game was that Herbert put together a 90+ yard final drive which should have given them the lead.
Like to see that from quarterbacks.

Yeah I’m hopeful games like this will make him better. It’s there. We just need to tweak a few things. But we can definitely be better as the season progresses.

[Steve]

Disagree with you on the 2006 team: who were the wide outs on the Patriots?
Disagree with you on the 2007 team: Turner, Sproles, Jackson & Chambers does not render you weaponless.
Disagree with you on the 2009 team.

But yeah, Rivers career wasted.
Colts will find out this year how good the washed up version was.

FWIW, the 2006 NE wasn't a SB caliber team either. They got their asses kicked by Indy in the AFCG, they almost screwed it up by making a lot of early mistakes, but then came back from being down 21-3. In large part because of the WR thing. We lost the game vs NE because we played badly, and made a lot of mistakes. However, I think we would have had a very hard time winning the AFCCG Indy. They played excellent run D that playoff run and their offense was very well balanced. If there was a year, it was that year, but our passing game was kinda putrid outside of Gates and Sproles.

Jackson and Chambers were not very good WR in 2007. Jackson went on to be a good WR, but he was almost an extra TE, who you had to scheme open back then. He was mostly a blocker in 2006. Remember he caught less than 30 passes in a 16 game season, only starting a few games. Chambers was OK, but past his prime, and you really need more than 2 weapons to beat a playoff caliber D. Sproles was good, but 3rd down backs need other players to compliment them, and without LT or Gates, we just didn't have the weapons to open up the O like we did later. Turner was a fine power runner, but not good enough to carry the team without a passing game, and he never added anything to the passing game even in his prime.

The 2009 team was a good defense in the sense that they played assignment free football, but the complete lack of pass rush prevented us from getting a pretty poor pass blocking OL for the Jets. They held the ball, kept our offense off the field and they kept running the ball against us over and over till the D wore down. But Sanchez kept converting 1st downs and keeping us backed up in our end of the field.