Some Interesting Stats to Ponder

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  • GoDucks2020
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    Some Interesting Stats to Ponder

    Joe Burrow had an epic season, the best I ever seen from a college QB. Obviously, he improved immensely from his junior season. He also benefited from Joe Brady's scheme his senior year and had NFL caliber receivers to catch his passes. Breaking down his TD passes and comparing them to Herbert's, it's quite a contrast. I'm not trying diminish in any way what Burrow accomplished but trying to show what Herbert had to work with and the impact coaching and scheme can have on a QB.

    ​​​Burrow 60 passing TDs
    ​​​​​​Top 2 receivers: 38 TDs or 63% of total
    Top 3 receivers: 51 TDs or 85% of total
    7 different receivers caught TDs

    Herbert 32 passing TDs
    ​​​​​​Top 2 receivers: 14 TDs or 44% of total
    Top 3 receivers: 20 TDs or 63% of total
    12 different receivers caught TDs

    Edit: I'll add some color to the 2019 season. In 2018, the receivers dropped 52 passes, an astronomical drop rate of around 13%. Top receiver Dillon Mitchell declared early for the draft and was taken in the 7th round by the Vikings. The receiver coach was replaced. Herbert decided to come back for his senior season but the fan base had real concerns about the receiving core. The top returning receiver was TE Jacob Breeland. He had been underutilized throughout his career but was reliable and hung onto the ball. Recruiting had fallen off substantially during the Helfrich regime. Cristobal is an elite recruiter but hadn't made much headway with the receivers until 2019. He signed four 4 star receivers, including Mycah Pittman, younger brother of USC WR Michael Pittman Jr who was drafted in the 2nd round by Indy. Their dad was former NFL RB Michael Pittman who played for the Bucs. A big, athletic receiver from Penn State, Juwan Johnson, came in as a grad transfer. Pittman was making big plays throughout fall camp and there was optimism that he could make an immediate impact. About a week before the season started, Pittman broke his collarbone. Senior starting receiver Brendan Schooler also injured his foot in fall camp. He was scheduled to return midway through the year. He wanted to redshirt instead but the coaches declined so he transferred to Arizona to play football along side his younger brother. So Herbert was down two important receivers to start the season, three if you count Mitchell, which hurt the passing game against Auburn in the opener in Dallas. TE Breeland became the go to guy but blew out his knee halfway through the year. The TEs behind him weren't much of a threat as receivers. Pittman returned but broke his wrist or arm 3-4 games after coming back. He looked good when he was on the field. He did get healthy in time to play in the Rose Bowl. Transfer Juwan Johnson was a specimen but didn't have the greatest hands. He's a terrific blocker, though. The top two receivers were Jaylon Redd and Johnny Johnson. They dropped a ton of balls in 2018 but improved in 2019. Redd is a jitterbug slot guy and probably the fastest receiver. Johnny Johnson was the top outside receiver but not elite by any means. Redd missed the Rose Bowl due to an off field incident. There was little continuity in the receiving core all year long and several younger guys played.
    Last edited by GoDucks2020; 05-01-2020, 08:05 AM.
  • jubei
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    #2
    interesting. so extrapolate that out for Herbert and his top 2 STILL wouldnt have caught nearly as many as Burrows' top 2 if Herbert threw twice as many TDs. Same goes for top 3. So Herbert has:

    1-not very good top3 WRs
    2-he spread the ball around more often
    3-
    4-

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    • Kingcrimson
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      #3
      His receivers are straight up TRASH. Leading target with 800 yards, the next closest is 400. One of the highest drop percentages in the nation. None of his receivers got drafted. Herbert still had a great season.

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      • Kingcrimson
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        #4
        I know this isn’t recent but worth nothing.

        “The Ducks dropped 52 passes in 2018. The incompletions cost them 832 yards from scrimmage — about 16 yards per dropped ball. Should the team have dropped just half as many passes, it would've improved the team from 41st nationally in total yards to 20th.“

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        • Boltgang74
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          #5
          I wonder how many of the dropped passes were good throws compared to nearly uncatchable passes i.e. thrown behind them or with zero touch?Just playin devils advocate,hopefully most were due to a crappy receiver group.

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          • jubei
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            #6
            IMO I dont care if the ball comes in hot or has touch...if it hits you square in the mitts you need to catch them. I understand having some touch can soften for someone who has stone hands but you play WR to CATCH THE DAMN BALL, not play hot potato. WRs CATCH balls. If you wanna bat a ball down play dline.

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            • BoltBacker
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              #7
              John Elway famous for braking his receivers fingers, he did ok. Herbert will improve on accuracy plus the NFL is trending toward quicker offenses that demand less on the QB. Why so many young QBs are successful.

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              • gzubeck
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                #8
                Originally posted by BoltBacker View Post
                John Elway famous for braking his receivers fingers, he did ok. Herbert will improve on accuracy plus the NFL is trending toward quicker offenses that demand less on the QB. Why so many young QBs are successful.
                Kind of like the really old school football from 60 years ago is like the new school with a side of modern speed and a twist of lime!
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