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  • #85
    Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

    I must admit I found Sproul’s usage of an acknowledged fairytale to rationalize another fairytale quite amusing.

    So our freewill is a decision making system of our brains that is inclined to our strongest learned moral identity? True. I don’t disagree with that. I’d go further and state that all our decisions come from the chemical reactions in the brain. No matter how rational or irrational. I disagree about his ideology of inherent human sin as sin is a fictional concept.

    Questions....
    If god were to manifest himself to humanity, give a demonstration of his unlimited power, or whatever it would take to ensure 1 human or the entire planet’s population knew he existed.
    Would each individual have the freewill to reject him as an entity to be followed, obeyed, and worshipped?
    Do you, as Sproul did, believe in biblical inerrancy?
    If so, what answers do you give for the vast inconsistencies, immoral laws/commandments, historical and scientific errors, and horrific atrocities that are in the perfect word of god?


    clip is some of, not all, inconsistencies stated in the bible.
    You asked - "If god were to manifest himself to humanity, give a demonstration of his unlimited power, or whatever it would take to ensure 1 human or the entire planet’s population knew he existed.
    Would each individual have the freewill to reject him as an entity to be followed, obeyed, and worshipped?"

    I don't think it would take away free will if God did that. It's my belief that God gave us free will so only those who believe will get to spend eternity with him on the new Earth.

    Do you, as Sproul did, believe in biblical inerrancy? - Yes

    If so, what answers do you give for the vast inconsistencies, immoral laws/commandments, historical and scientific errors, and horrific atrocities that are in the perfect word of god?

    That's a pretty broad question/statement. - A broad answer is found in Isaiah 55:8 - “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord.
    That goes back to what I said earlier - I do not have a mind that can understand God's mind. I'm content to take him at his word.

    I find it interesting that you say the commandments are not moral.
    Doesn't that put you above God? What commandments would you write?

    I myself have wondered and been troubled by the atrocities of the OT.
    One you mentioned in an earlier post was why did the Bible seem to condone slavery? - My answer is that the slavery we read about in the Bible is not like the slavery we usually think of. The people that were slaves back then sold themselves into slavery for a seven year period. At the end of that period they were free to walk away or sign up for seven more years. So, it's more akin to what we call servants now.

    Also please understand that the Bible does not approve of everything it records. Some of the things reported in the Bible were not approved by God.
    For instance, some terrible things like rape and revenge are found in Judges 19/20 but nowhere does it say this is approved.

    You mentioned you were expecting snow - where are you that you expect snow? Wherever it is - consider moving. It's 83 right now on the beautiful island of Maui.

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    • #86
      I find that the things atheists call atrocities are the mass killings of places/people like in the story of Sodom. But, in each of the stories like that the people God ordered killed were living totally immoral lives.

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      • #87
        This seems like the appropriate thread to say Merry Christmas to all. Remember, we celebrate this day because of the birth of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

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        • #88
          Originally posted by chargeroo View Post
          This seems like the appropriate thread to say Merry Christmas to all. Remember, we celebrate this day because of the birth of Christ, our Lord and Savior.
          Happy Xmas Roo. I will get to my reply on yours you left a bit ago soon, didn’t want to during the holidays.
          You know we disagree on religiosity but Xmas was/is hardly ever about baby jesus.

          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-unex...as-traditions/



          https://www.livescience.com/25779-christmas-traditions-history-paganism.html





          2020 Draft (01/24/20)

          1) Chase Young (DE) OHSU
          2) Mekhi Becton (OT) UL
          3) Stanford Samuels III (CB) FSU
          4A) Denzel Mims (WR) BU
          4B) Jeremy Chinn (S/LB) SIU
          5) Stephen Sullivan (TE) LSU
          6) Joshua Kelley (RB) UCLA
          7) Binjimen Victor (WR) OHSU

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          • #89
            Originally posted by chargeroo View Post
            This seems like the appropriate thread to say Merry Christmas to all. Remember, we celebrate this day because of the birth of Christ, our Lord and Savior.
            Merry Christmas Sir.
            ISimmons LB NGallimore DT NHarris IOL DDuvernay WR JRobinson RB HBryant TE SCharles OT v3
            UFAs Joe Schobert LB Joe Haeg OL Byron Jones DB
            we play modern defensive football

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            • #90
              Originally posted by chargeroo View Post
              This seems like the appropriate thread to say Merry Christmas to all. Remember, we celebrate this day because of the birth of Christ, our Lord and Savior.
              Christmas is actually pagan. This isn't to single Christmas out. Holidays in general have ties to paganism and roots of the occult.

              The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist. Making people think that this whole thing about God/Jesus is not real either or lame and a fairy tale. Second Corinthians says to not be ignorant of Satan's devices.

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              • #91
                Originally posted by ChargersPowderBlue View Post

                Christmas is actually pagan. This isn't to single Christmas out. Holidays in general have ties to paganism and roots of the occult.

                The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist. Making people think that this whole thing about God/Jesus is not real either or lame and a fairy tale. Second Corinthians says to not be ignorant of Satan's devices.
                Devil = Keyser Soze

                or as the current president says “two corinthians”
                2020 Draft (01/24/20)

                1) Chase Young (DE) OHSU
                2) Mekhi Becton (OT) UL
                3) Stanford Samuels III (CB) FSU
                4A) Denzel Mims (WR) BU
                4B) Jeremy Chinn (S/LB) SIU
                5) Stephen Sullivan (TE) LSU
                6) Joshua Kelley (RB) UCLA
                7) Binjimen Victor (WR) OHSU

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                • #92
                  “two corinthians” and a partridge in a pear tree.

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