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  • Climate Change Discussion......

    Let's move this topic into its own thread......

    Lets take a poll......

    Option 1

    Who supports the conclusions of the vast majority of SCIENTISTS (over 97%) who study the subject that man has contributed to dramatically accelerating global climate change (1.4 trillion tons of released carbon).

    Option 2

    Who supports that mankind has no relevance to climate change?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Topcat View Post

    I'm impressed, Ninja. Most people are totally oblivious or in denial about the idea of prepping for some future emergency. But, after the California fires, coastal hurricanes, and Midwest floods, a lot of those former scoffers are suddenly getting Prepper Fever...
    Climate change is a FACT. It is affecting everyone even if they think it is fake. Fuck Miami already has flooded streets at high tides. As things decrease like available clean water, coastal flooding/land loss (Florida, gulf coast, inter coastal islands, Baja, etc will be gone), food production, top soil, and the increase of major natural disasters society will be tested.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

      Climate change is a FACT. It is affecting everyone even if they think it is fake. Fuck Miami already has flooded streets at high tides. As things decrease like available clean water, coastal flooding/land loss (Florida, gulf coast, inter coastal islands, Baja, etc will be gone), food production, top soil, and the increase of major natural disasters society will be tested.
      One of the biggest under-reported stories the past few weeks is the massive flooding in the Midwest. One of the estimates I heard was that approximately 40% of the entire U.S. grain production cropland will be impacted for at least two years, and that's assuming more flooding or other disasters won't occur. Hog production, chickens, beef, all severely impacted by these floods. All this will cause food prices in some sectors to go up. How much, we don't know yet, but prices will go up. Many people blissfully think life will go on, but I'm afraid we're in for a rude awakening in the not too distant future...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

        Climate change is a FACT. It is affecting everyone even if they think it is fake. Fuck Miami already has flooded streets at high tides. As things decrease like available clean water, coastal flooding/land loss (Florida, gulf coast, inter coastal islands, Baja, etc will be gone), food production, top soil, and the increase of major natural disasters society will be tested.
        I remember when I was younger they promised us that by 1990 Canada and Northern US would be under a glacier and we would be in the next ice age. The way to fix it would be to pay heavy taxes give up your rights and lifestyle. Then when that fell on its face they told us the world was on fire and the polar ice caps would be gone by 2005 and all we had to do was give up our rights and lifestyle and pay more taxes. After the global warming predictions all fell on their faces they are telling us that it climate change and amazingly all we have to do to fix is low and behold pay more taxes give up our fights and lifestyle. It's incredible that all three of these have the same fix, pay more taxes give up rights and your lifestyle. Color me skeptical. I agree with preparing for the collapse of society but that will be do to the policies of government tyrants like Newsome and Sacramento not some microscopic change in temperature.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FoutsFan View Post

          I remember when I was younger they promised us that by 1990 Canada and Northern US would be under a glacier and we would be in the next ice age. The way to fix it would be to pay heavy taxes give up your rights and lifestyle. Then when that fell on its face they told us the world was on fire and the polar ice caps would be gone by 2005 and all we had to do was give up our rights and lifestyle and pay more taxes. After the global warming predictions all fell on their faces they are telling us that it climate change and amazingly all we have to do to fix is low and behold pay more taxes give up our fights and lifestyle. It's incredible that all three of these have the same fix, pay more taxes give up rights and your lifestyle. Color me skeptical. I agree with preparing for the collapse of society but that will be do to the policies of government tyrants like Newsome and Sacramento not some microscopic change in temperature.
          I will trust the worldwide experts in their fields of study. When over 97% of them agree, I will build my model for the future around that.

          Have you seen the effects in Miami? The colossal tidal gates constructed in Venice?

          I live in Alaska and the glacial Melt rate is drastically increasing.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

            I will trust the worldwide experts in their fields of study. When over 97% of them agree, I will build my model for the future around that.

            Have you seen the effects in Miami? The colossal tidal gates constructed in Venice?

            I live in Alaska and the glacial Melt rate is drastically increasing.

            The 97% number has been debunked, embarrassingly so. Even if it weren't science is not a democracy. At some point the lies have to get old. Big government dark money is fueling the lies and deceit.

            I live in California and we had the coldest winter on record last year. The temperature is lowering again. Also if this were true why don't the people like Al Gore who push this crap so hard believe in what they say? If it were true and they believed in it they would change their own live style to fit their beliefs yet they go on with a carbon footprint the size of a small country.

            http://www.aei.org/publication/18-sp...ore-this-year/


            In the May 2000 issue of Reason Magazine, award-winning science correspondent Ronald Bailey wrote an excellent article titled "Earth Day, Then and Now" to provide some historical perspective on the 30th anniversary of Earth Day. In that article, Bailey noted that around the time of the first Earth Day in the 1970, and in the years following, there was a "torrent of apocalyptic predictions" and many of those predictions were featured in his Reason article. Well, it's now the 47th anniversary of Earth Day, and a good time to ask the question again that Bailey asked 17 years ago: How accurate were the predictions made around the time of the first Earth Day in 1970? The answer: "The prophets of doom were not simply wrong, but spectacularly wrong," according to Bailey. Here are 18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around 1970 when the "green holy day" (aka Earth Day) started:

            1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind."

            2. "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.

            3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction."

            4. "Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make," Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. "The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years."

            5. "Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born," wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled "Eco-Catastrophe! "By...[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s."

            6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the "Great Die-Off."

            7. "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation," declared Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.

            8. Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, "Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions....By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine."

            9. In January 1970, Life reported, "Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support...the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution...by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half...."

            10. Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, "At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it's only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable."

            11. Barry Commoner predicted that decaying organic pollutants would use up all of the oxygen in America's rivers, causing freshwater fish to suffocate.

            12. Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in 1970 that "air pollution...is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone." Ehrlich sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during "smog disasters" in New York and Los Angeles.

            13. Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbons "may have substantially reduced the life expectancy of people born since 1945." Ehrlich warned that Americans born since 1946...now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach 42 years by 1980, when it might level out. (Note: According to the most recent CDC report, life expectancy in the US is 78.8 years).

            14. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, "By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate...that there won't be any more crude oil. You'll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill 'er up, buddy,' and he'll say, `I am very sorry, there isn't any.'"

            15. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.

            16. Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, "Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."

            17. In 1975, Paul Ehrlich predicted that "since more than nine-tenths of the original tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30 years or so, it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas will vanish with it."

            18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. "The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years," he declared. "If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age."

            MP: Let's keep those spectacularly wrong predictions from the first Earth Day 1970 in mind when we're bombarded in the next few days with media hype, and claims like this from the 2017 Earth Day website:
            Global sea levels are rising at an alarmingly fast rate -- 6.7 inches in the last century alone and going higher. Surface temperatures are setting new heat records about each year. The ice sheets continue to decline, glaciers are in retreat globally, and our oceans are more acidic than ever. We could go on...which is a whole other problem.

            The majority of scientists are in agreement that human contributions to the greenhouse effect are the root cause. Essentially, gases in the atmosphere - such as methane and CO2 - trap heat and block it from escaping our planet.

            So what happens next? More droughts and heat waves, which can have devastating effects on the poorest countries and communities. Hurricanes will intensify and occur more frequently. Sea levels could rise up to four feet by 2100 - and that's a conservative estimate among experts.

            Reality Check/Inconvenient Facts:

            1. From the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Annual Report for 2016, we're actually in the longest major hurricane drought in US history of 11 years (and counting):
            The last major hurricane (Category 3 or stronger) to make landfall in the US was Wilma on November October 24, 2005. This major hurricane drought [of more than 11 years] surpassed the previous record of eight years from 1861-1868 when no major hurricane struck the coast of the United States. On average, a major hurricane makes landfall in the U.S. about once every three years.

            2. The frequency of hurricanes in the US has been declining, see top chart above that shows the hurricane count (all Categories 1 to 5) in the first seven years of each decade back to the 1850s, based on NOAA data here. In the seven years between 2010 and 2016, there were only eight hurricanes (all Category 1 and 2), which is the lowest number of hurricanes during the first seven years of any decade in the history of NOAA's data back to 1850. It's also far lower than the previous low of 14 hurricanes during the period from 1900 to 1906.

            3. What you probably won't hear about from the Earth Day supporters is the amazing "decarbonization" of the United States over the last decade or so, as the falling CO2 emissions in the bottom chart above illustrate, even as CO2 emissions from energy consumption have been rising throughout most of the rest of the world. Energy-related carbon emissions in the US have been falling since the 2007 peak, and were at their lowest level last year in nearly a quarter century, going back to 1992. And the environmentalists and the "Earth Day" movement really had very little to do with this amazing "greening" of America. Rather, it's mostly because of hydraulic fracturing and the increasing substitution of natural gas for coal as a fuel source for electric power, see related CD post here.

            Finally, think about this question, posed by Ronald Bailey in 2000: What will Earth look like when Earth Day 60 rolls around in 2030? Bailey predicts a much cleaner, and much richer future world, with less hunger and malnutrition, less poverty, and longer life expectancy, and with lower mineral and metal prices. But he makes one final prediction about Earth Day 2030: "There will be a disproportionately influential group of doomsters predicting that the future-and the present-never looked so bleak." In other words, the hype, hysteria and spectacularly wrong apocalyptic predictions will continue, promoted by the "environmental grievance hustlers."

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            The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare

            3/29/2018



            Global Warming: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration may have a boring name, but it has a very important job: It measures U.S. temperatures. Unfortunately, it seems to be a captive of the global warming religion. Its data are fraudulent.

            What do we mean by fraudulent? How about this: NOAA has made repeated "adjustments" to its data, for the presumed scientific reason of making the data sets more accurate.

            Nothing wrong with that. Except, all their changes point to one thing -- lowering previously measured temperatures to show cooler weather in the past, and raising more recent temperatures to show warming in the recent present.

            This creates a data illusion of ever-rising temperatures to match the increase in CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere since the mid-1800s, which global warming advocates say is a cause-and-effect relationship. The more CO2, the more warming.

            But the actual measured temperature record shows something different: There have been hot years and hot decades since the turn of the last century, and colder years and colder decades. But the overall measured temperature shows no clear trend over the last century, at least not one that suggests runaway warming.

            That is, until the NOAA's statisticians "adjust" the data. Using complex statistical models, they change the data to reflect not reality, but their underlying theories of global warming. That's clear from a simple fact of statistics: Data generate random errors, which cancel out over time. So by averaging data, the errors mostly disappear.

            That's not what NOAA does.

            According to the NOAA, the errors aren't random. They're systematic. As we noted, all of their temperature adjustments lean cooler in the distant past, and warmer in the more recent past. But they're very fuzzy about why this should be.

            Far from legitimately "adjusting" anything, it appears they are cooking the data to show a politically correct trend toward global warming. Not by coincidence, that has been part and parcel of the government's underlying policies for the better part of two decades.

            What NOAA does aren't niggling little changes, either.

            As Tony Heller at the Real Climate Science web site notes, "Pre-2000 temperatures are progressively cooled, and post-2000 temperatures are warmed. This year has been a particularly spectacular episode of data tampering by NOAA, as they introduce nearly 2.5 degrees of fake warming since 1895."

            So the global warming scare is basically a hoax.

            This winter, for instance, as measured by temperature in city after city and by snow-storm severity, has been one of the coldest on record in the Northeast.

            But after the NOAA's wizards finished with the data, it was merely about average.

            Climate analyst Paul Homewood notes for instance that in New York state, measured temperatures this year were 2.7 degrees or more colder than in 1943. Not to NOAA. Its data show temperatures this year as 0.9 degrees cooler than the actual data in 1943. Erasing Winter


            By the way, a similar result occurred after the brutally cold 2013-2014 winter in New York. It was simply adjusted away. Do this year after year, and with the goal of radically altering the temperature record to fit the global warming narrative, and you have what amounts to climate fraud.

            "Clearly NOAA's highly homogenized and adjusted version of the Central Lakes temperature record bears no resemblance at all the the actual station data," writes Homewood. "And if this one division is so badly in error, what confidence can there be that the rest of the U.S. is any better?"

            That's the big question. And for those who think that government officials don't have political, cultural or other agendas, that's naivete of the highest sort. They do.

            Since the official government mantra for all of the bureaucracies at least since the Clinton era is that CO2 production is an evil that inevitably leads to runaway global warming, those who toil in the bureaucracies' statistical sweat shops know that their careers and future funding depend on having the politically correct answers -- not the scientifically correct ones.

            "The key point here is that while NOAA frequently makes these adjustments to the raw data, it has never offered a convincing explanation as to why they are necessary," wrote James Delingpole recently in Breitbart's Big Government. "Nor yet, how exactly their adjusted data provides a more accurate version of the truth than the original data."

            There are at least some signs of progress, however. In the case of the Environmental Protection Agency, future reports and studies will include the data and the underlying scientific assumptions for public scrutiny.

            That's one way to bring greater honesty to government -- and to keep climate charlatans from bankrupting our nation with spurious demands for carbon taxes and deindustrialization of our economy to prevent global warming. The only real result won't be a cooler planet, but rather mass poverty and lower standards of living for all.

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            • #7
              Read from NASA.....
              Tad more trusted source than the BS you are trying to shovel.

              https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
              Climate Change: How Do We Know?

              This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Luthi, D., et al.. 2008; Etheridge, D.M., et al. 2010; Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.) Find out more about ice cores (external site).

              Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
              Glacial Retreat


              • Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world -- including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.8


                Image: The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.
              Effects of Climate Change....

              https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
              Temperatures Will Continue to Rise


              • Because human-induced warming is superimposed on a naturally varying climate, the temperature rise has not been, and will not be, uniform or smooth across the country or over time.
              Arctic Likely to Become Ice-Free


              • The Arctic Ocean is expected to become essentially ice free in summer before mid-century.
              U.S. Regional Effects

              Below are some of the impacts that are currently visible throughout the U.S. and will continue to affect these regions, according to the Third3 and Fourth4National Climate Assessment Reports, released by the U.S. Global Change Research Program:

              Northeast. Heat waves, heavy downpours and sea level rise pose growing challenges to many aspects of life in the Northeast. Infrastructure, agriculture, fisheries and ecosystems will be increasingly compromised. Many states and cities are beginning to incorporate climate change into their planning.

              Northwest. Changes in the timing of streamflow reduce water supplies for competing demands. Sea level rise, erosion, inundation, risks to infrastructure and increasing ocean acidity pose major threats. Increasing wildfire, insect outbreaks and tree diseases are causing widespread tree die-off.

              Southeast. Sea level rise poses widespread and continuing threats to the region's economy and environment. Extreme heat will affect health, energy, agriculture and more. Decreased water availability will have economic and environmental impacts.

              Midwest. Extreme heat, heavy downpours and flooding will affect infrastructure, health, agriculture, forestry, transportation, air and water quality, and more. Climate change will also exacerbate a range of risks to the Great Lakes.

              Southwest. Increased heat, drought and insect outbreaks, all linked to climate change, have increased wildfires. Declining water supplies, reduced agricultural yields, health impacts in cities due to heat, and flooding and erosion in coastal areas are additional concerns.
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              • #8
                All paid for by dark government money.

                Garbage in garbage out. When they use fake data all that info is trash.

                Its also tough to take people serious when they deny there has ever been an ice age and the Earth has remained the exact same temperature the entire 4.5 billion years of its existence.

                https://realclimatescience.com/2017/...-is-fake-data/
                NASA / NOAA Climate Data Is Fake Data

                Posted on February 4, 2017 by tonyheller
                NOAA shows the Earth red hot in December, with record heat in central Africa.



                NOAA Reported

                The map above is fake. NOAA has almost no temperature data from Africa, and none from central Africa. They simply made up the record temperatures.



                NOAA Thermometer Data



                Satellites show that NOAA's" record hot regions in Africa were actually close to normal.



                RSS / MSU Data Images / Monthly

                Gavin Schmidt at NASA claims the imaginary NOAA data has been replicated by many other institutions.



                NOAA: Trump team may emphasize climate science uncertainty -- Friday, February 3, 2017 -- www.eenews.net

                However, when Gavin is confronted about his obviously bogus temperature graphs, he defends by saying "it is not my data, I get it from NOAA." In fact, all of the supposedly independent agencies get the lion's share of their data from NOAA.



                robertsnasags.pdf

                NASA and NOAA are engaged in the biggest fraud in science history, and this needs to end now that criminals are no longer in control of our government.

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                • #9
                  I know this actually did not happen because the earth was not hot until 1988 but an interesting read. What kind of SUV's did they drive in 1911 that could have brought this on? Its just more BS though.

                  http://www.newenglandhistoricalsocie...people-insane/


                  On July 4, temperatures hit 103 in Portland, 104 in Boston (a record that still stands), 105 in Vernon, Vt., and 106 in Nashua, N.H., and Bangor, Maine. At least 200 died from drowning, trying to cool off in rivers, lakes, ponds and ocean - anything wet. Still more died from heat stroke. The 1911 heat wave was possibly the worst weather disaster in New England's history, with estimates of the death toll as high as 2,000.
                  Trying to cool off in Hartford. Photo courtesy Hartford Courant.
                  Trying to cool off in Hartford during the 1911 heat wave. Photo courtesy Hartford Courant. THE 1911 HEAT WAVE


                  June weather had been normal, but in July hot, dry air from the southern plains flowed into Canada and then swept south and toward the coast. The hot wind suppressed cool ocean breezes, and the temperature rose 11 degrees in a half hour in Providence.

                  In Hartford, crowds gathered around the Thermograph near City Hall to watch as it fluctuated between 110 and 112 degrees in the shade. At Colwell's store in Cumberland, R.I., the thermometer hit 130. A farmer in Woodbury left his field when the temperature reached 140 degrees in the sun.

                  Ice and electric fans were luxuries, air conditioning unknown. Pedestrians fainted from the stifling heat. At night, the streets were filled with exhausted mothers walking up and down, trying to comfort their crying babies. They feared leaving them in their beds, lest they fail to wake up. One police officer described the night during the 1911 heat wave as a 'giant wail.'

                  The City of Hartford flushed fire hydrants and ferries and trolleys allowed people to ride free. Some rode all day. Others went round and round on carousel horses for the slight breeze. The Heublein family donated water barrels to the parks, and the Trout Brook Ice Co. refilled them.

                  Throughout the region, factories closed and mail delivery was suspended.

                  Parks and beaches were opened for sleeping. In tenement slums, the sidewalks were lined with blankets and mattresses. Sleeping outside had its dangers, as thieves commonly stole hats, coats and wallets.
                  Sleeping in the park in New York during the 1911 heat wave. Photo courtesy Library of Congress.
                  Sleeping in the park in New York during the 1911 heat wave. Photo courtesy Library of Congress. 5,000 SLEEP ON BOSTON COMMON


                  Boston Common was described as the 'biggest boardinghouse in New England.' Five thousand men, women and children slept there on the ground at night during the 1911 heat wave.

                  Some people slept on roofs. John Merlo, a 28-year-old Italian immigrant, rolled over in his sleep on the tin roof of his boardinghouse in Hartford's slum. He crashed through a 10-inch guard and fell to his death on the concrete below.

                  It became a daily ritual to read the morning newspaper to see how many died. Workers died digging holes. Women fell over picking blueberries. A teamster fainted and fell off his wagon, only to be trampled to death by the horses pulling it. A woman sitting up in bed talking suddenly keeled over, dead.

                  A week after it started, the 1911 heat wave was broken by a line of thunderstorms. The next day the temperature shot up to 95 degrees. People started to go mad. In Hartford, a crazed man tried to climb a utility pole. Two police officers and three bystanders subdued him and wrestled him into a straitjacket. In Springfield, a man suddenly threw off his coat and ran through a pharmacy. In New York, a crazed drunk ran after a police officer with a meat cleaver.

                  The New London Day reported Jacob Seegar, an aged resident of Roxbury, Mass., was so crazed by the extreme heat he killed himself with a revolver.
                  Boys licking ice in New York City. Photo courtesy Library of Congress.
                  Boys licking ice in New York City. Photo courtesy Library of Congress. TRAIN WRECK


                  The 1911 heat wave bent rail lines, causing derailments. But it was probably excessive speed that caused the wreck of the Federal Express train carrying passengers from Washington to Boston.

                  At 3:30 a.m. on July 11, the train derailed as it approached the station in Bridgeport, Conn.

                  The engine and six cars fell 20 feet to the street below, killing 14 and injuring 47.

                  The St. Louis Cardinals were sleeping in a Pullman car at the back of the train that remained on the tracks. They were on their way to Boston to play the Braves. Hall of Fame catcher-manager Roger Bresnahan directed the team's rescue efforts, credited with saving many lives before ambulances reached the wreck. BANGOR


                  Bangor, Maine, had already suffered from one inferno two months earlier: the worst fire in its history. The city suffered from temperatures above 100 degrees.

                  A 69-year-old African-American woman, Mrs. Myra Hudlin, had been burned out in the fire and lived in a room with a bed, six chairs and a stove. She collapsed in the heat after washing clothes all one morning and died the next day.
                  The New York Tribune's estimates of the death toll from the heat, undoubtedly understated.
                  The New York Tribune's estimates of the death toll from the heat, undoubtedly understated.

                  Bangorians seeking relief slept on porches and roofs. Most men walked around town without wearing a coat. Moviegoers showed up at the un-air-conditioned theaters at night in various states of undress.

                  On July 6, the heat was interrupted by a terrific thunderstorm that killed carpenter Harry Mower by toppling a barn on top of him. The storm damaged property throughout the city, felling the charred walls of buildings that still stood after the fire.

                  From early morning to late at night, people hoping to catch a breeze jammed into the open cars of the Bangor Railway and Electric Company's open trolley cars. Six thousand people besieged Riverside Park at the end of the trolley line in Hampden so they could cool off in the Penobscot River.

                  Even swimmers couldn't escape the heat. David Kerr, a waiter on the steamer Belfast, was overcome by heat while swimming near the ferry terminal. He appeared too dazed to grab on to a line thrown to him.

                  After 11 days of searing heat, another severe thunderstorm brought the temperature down to bearable levels -- and killed five more people. But the 1911 heat wave was finally over.

                  A deadly heat wave 15 years earlier launched a U.S. president. Read about it here. This story about the 1911 heat wave was updated in 2018.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FoutsFan View Post
                    All paid for by dark government money.

                    Garbage in garbage out. When they use fake data all that info is trash.

                    Its also tough to take people serious when they deny there has ever been an ice age and the Earth has remained the exact same temperature the entire 4.5 billion years of its existence.

                    https://realclimatescience.com/2017/...-is-fake-data/
                    NASA / NOAA Climate Data Is Fake Data

                    Posted on February 4, 2017 by tonyheller
                    NOAA shows the Earth red hot in December, with record heat in central Africa.



                    NOAA Reported

                    The map above is fake. NOAA has almost no temperature data from Africa, and none from central Africa. They simply made up the record temperatures.



                    NOAA Thermometer Data



                    Satellites show that NOAA's" record hot regions in Africa were actually close to normal.



                    RSS / MSU Data Images / Monthly

                    Gavin Schmidt at NASA claims the imaginary NOAA data has been replicated by many other institutions.



                    NOAA: Trump team may emphasize climate science uncertainty -- Friday, February 3, 2017 -- www.eenews.net

                    However, when Gavin is confronted about his obviously bogus temperature graphs, he defends by saying "it is not my data, I get it from NOAA." In fact, all of the supposedly independent agencies get the lion's share of their data from NOAA.



                    robertsnasags.pdf

                    NASA and NOAA are engaged in the biggest fraud in science history, and this needs to end now that criminals are no longer in control of our government.
                    And that very first bolded portion pretty much sums up by why it's pointless to argue climate change at this point. You believe a certain thing and seem to be sticking to it so I think it would be best if we go back to actual finance.

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                    • #11
                      I volunteered for a peer-reviewed paper about 10 years ago. Surveyed all the weather stations as part of the US GHCN in my region.

                      Wasn't so much that they all failed quality control & 2 were in people's back yards, which is bad enough. The worst part was the caretakers were writing down the daily high & low temps on scrap sheets of paper & dialing a 1-800 number at the end of the week & touch-toning all the numbers in. Lol, a manual process like that would have a margin of error greater than the warming of last century. Shouldn't even be taking temps at the ground level anyways, the human footprint is too large. Should be taking them in the upper troposphere, where according to the theory, the warming should be even more pronounced. Except that it isn't. I don't know why people can't take a few hours & do your own research for yourself. You'll see this for the money grab that it is. It's a multi-billion dollar industry to get rich off of.

                      No denying that $23,000,000,000,000.00 debt, though. That's as good a reason as any to be prepared.
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                        Originally posted by captaind View Post
                        I volunteered for a peer-reviewed paper about 10 years ago. Surveyed all the weather stations as part of the US GHCN in my region.

                        Wasn't so much that they all failed quality control & 2 were in people's back yards, which is bad enough. The worst part was the caretakers were writing down the daily high & low temps on scrap sheets of paper & dialing a 1-800 number at the end of the week & touch-toning all the numbers in. Lol, a manual process like that would have a margin of error greater than the warming of last century. Shouldn't even be taking temps at the ground level anyways, the human footprint is too large. Should be taking them in the upper troposphere, where according to the theory, the warming should be even more pronounced. Except that it isn't. I don't know why people can't take a few hours & do your own research for yourself. You'll see this for the money grab that it is. It's a multi-billion dollar industry to get rich off of.

                        No denying that $23,000,000,000,000.00 debt, though. That's as good a reason as any to be prepared.
                        I think that is one thing we can all agree on is be prepared. No matter how we get to the collapse of civilization. What is scary is how little food and water most people have in reserve. The stores in the city have only a day or two of food and necessities if there is a panic and a run on food. We have about a 4 month supply. When I tell people at work some of them are like haha prepper but hey people will spiral out of control fast in a severe crisis.

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