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  • 3 (or more) keys to playoff victory against the Patriots

    You know what to do...


    1). Coaching - I think what was so satisfying for me about Gus Bradley's approach against the Ravens wasn't so much the actual strategy (DBs as LBs), but the fact that we actually did SOMETHING different. I think somebody around here used the term "Patriots-esque." Hate to use it but I agree, I think were used to so many bad coaches over the years trying to fit square pegs into round holes and for once we actually used some brilliant strategy. It was pretty gratifying to see.

    I think AL and his "play to win" attitude is going to be key here. Bradley needs to again be willing to change things up...and change it again if it isn't working. My only small concern is Whiz - this game kinda reminded me of the 2013 Bengals playoff game where we came in with a conservative gameplan, beat them with our defense, and tried the same thing against Denver the following week and smoked. Whiz was late to adjust in that game. FOR THE RECORD: the offensive gameplan against the Ravens was PERFECT this week; I do not think a copy/paste against the Patriots is in order (weather permitting).

    2). Redzone - Need to score TDs, pretty simple. All the more reason especially if the weather sucks. Love Money Badger but don't want a kick to be decided by the elements. Hunter Henry as a redzone target/decoy will be huge here. Shannon Sharpe said the magic number is 28 points. I think he's probably right. Maybe a bit less if the weather is horrible.

    3). Pass rush - Pretty obvious. I don't think we'll be in absolute jailbreak mode like we were against the Ravens, but we need TIMELY pressure. Moreso up the middle if possible. Think what happens to Rivers when he gets harassed up the middle - Brady is the same. I think Bosa is pretty fresh, hopefully the foot is feeling as good as possible, we need him in his 2014 Ohio State national championship mode. I think the Patriots are going to try to focus a bit more on Ingram. Bosa needs to absolutely win any 1 v1 action he sees.

    3b). Unsung heroes - This is the time of year where random guys can make a huge impact. Will that be a guy like Justin Jones or Rayshawn Jenkins? I thought Jenkins looked fast out there last week. I feel like for the first time EVER we are actually adding contributors late in the year as opposed to losing them to injury or ineffectiveness.
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  • #2
    Pressure on Tom Brady
    Score more points
    Give up less points

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
      Pressure on Tom Brady
      Score more points
      Give up less points
      Stay composed and don’t turn ball over or commit stupid penalties

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      • #4
        About the "quarter" defense, Belichick started this no-LB defense when they started the SB vs. the Rams. The main reason they did that was to match the Rams RB and WRs' quickness (Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt,, Marshall Faulk, Az-Zahir Hakim and co.) to take away their incuts. Mike Martz offense that year was all about incuts, cut to the inside.

        It's a copycat league, then Rex Ryan used this to beat the Patriots was because the Pats that year have no deep threats, Moss was washed up, Welker can never goes deep. So they did that to match Welker quickness, take away his option routes and Brady's dink and dunk game. They had no fear of the old man Moss.

        We used it last game simply because we need speed, quickness and agility there to contain Jackson if he gets to the next level, and we didn't really respect Jackson passing ability, we thought we could take risk with that and we were right.

        We gave them 2 cheap ones late when fatigue kicked in. When you tired, not only your body breaking down but mental state too, mental lapses start, the levels of attention and focus fading away.

        That's why we see QBs come back from the 4th quarter all the time, and QBs usually can take the team down field on the last drive. NFL, fans and medias just like to give credits to the QB and the offense rather than just acknowledge that defenders are human too, and human bodies got tired, when you got tired your mental focus fade away, mistakes happens. Foles took his team down field for a TD against Mack and the vaunted Bears D, then CHI marched right back for the FG in under 1 minute, against the vaunted Eagles D.

        We might still found success against NE with this "quarter" defense. But at least on paper it doesn't look so promising, as Eldeman, unlike Welker, can actually go deep some. And there is Chris Hogan, a productive deep guy. Patterson and Dorsett have the speed to go deep. They haven't in sync with Brady in the regular season, but that might change in the playoff. When you use DBs whole game, DBs tired out in the 4th, vulnerable to deep passes. Also, there's always the Gronk factor. They could just lob the ball to Gronk over and over.

        The usual conventional wisdom about Gronk is that "He is too fast for LBs and too big for DBs to cover". Well, with this age and near retirement, you don't have to worry about his speed to run away from you anymore, even if facing LBs. But he still big and strong, can shield off smaller DBs and catch the ball. He doesn't even need to be open. Against DBs, he just need 1-on-1 (no double-team) and some space. Brady has enough accuracy to pin the ball in there, unlike Jackson or other running QBs who can't do that.
        Last edited by vinabolt; 01-08-2019, 07:11 AM.
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        • #5
          I don't get the Gronk argument.

          Ideally I'd want James on him ALL GAME, but I think I'd rather take my chances playing our athletic DBs and risk getting overpowered.

          What's our other option at this point? Have Pullard or Emanuel try to cover Gronk???? That's infinitely worse.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by chargerkdb View Post

            Stay composed and don’t turn ball over or commit stupid penalties
            The refs are going to call stupid pemalties. All we can hope for is it isn't against us.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Boltx View Post
              I don't get the Gronk argument.

              Ideally I'd want James on him ALL GAME, but I think I'd rather take my chances playing our athletic DBs and risk getting overpowered.

              What's our other option at this point? Have Pullard or Emanuel try to cover Gronk???? That's infinitely worse.
              Gronk hasn't been the same player this year. Been pretty awful actually

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              • #8
                1. you pressure with 4 and double Gronk. their only real "MisMatch" on offense is Gronk. Granted Gronks been a bit banged up and not his normal self this year, this is a playiff game and you have to expect the Pats and Gronk to bring their A game. I think the Chargers can beat a Pats A game with their own A game but dont let Gronk take over, he will nulify a pass rush with his ability to catch the hot route up high.

                2. Dont turn the ball over. Its really easy, dont give the Patriots easy scores.

                3. Pressure the crap out of Brady. Thats been the key to beating Brady, pressure him. Not blitzing mind you but pressure up front with 4 Lineman. Its how the Giants beat them and its the blue print for success vs Brady. He is even less mobile now but he is smart so, get pressure, get him rolling out of the pocket not stepping into it and make him move his feet.

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                • #9
                  To be fair I didn't watch Gronk too closely this season to see if his speed is really gone for good. If he doesn't have his usual speed then it's better to use LB to cover him to match his size and arm strength, without having to worry that slow LB getting beat deep by him. He made a living run away from LBs in his career.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                    The refs are going to call stupid pemalties. All we can hope for is it isn't against us.
                    But we control personal fouls, offsides and delays. We just can’t control the judgement calls and those are the ones the Pats always seem to get the benefit of. Control what we can no sense helping the zebras

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                    • #11
                      Win the 1st quarter

                      Keep Emanual and Pullard in reserve.

                      Play 7 dbs with new wrinkles to make Brady think a little more.
                      Moving to LA is not a good business decision, it’s a death sentence.

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                      • #12
                        Just keep running that 2pt conversion play to MikeW until someone covers him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vinabolt View Post
                          To be fair I didn't watch Gronk too closely this season to see if his speed is really gone for good. If he doesn't have his usual speed then it's better to use LB to cover him to match his size and arm strength, without having to worry that slow LB getting beat deep by him. He made a living run away from LBs in his career.
                          He has been a shell of his former self. Looks slow and broken down. He may have a good game or two left, but I am convinced that he will retire after this game/season.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chargerkdb View Post
                            Just keep running that 2pt conversion play to MikeW until someone covers him.
                            LOL - amazing how that happened twice in a row. I find it hard to believe that a NE team would let that happen.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Boltx View Post
                              I don't get the Gronk argument.

                              Ideally I'd want James on him ALL GAME, but I think I'd rather take my chances playing our athletic DBs and risk getting overpowered.

                              What's our other option at this point? Have Pullard or Emanuel try to cover Gronk???? That's infinitely worse.
                              Asking James to shadow Gronk all game seems to make sense at first but then you realize that part of the success of this defense is the ability to line James up all over the field and let him cause havoc from many different places. I think giving him one assignment all game (even one I do think he could handle) severely limits him and the big play ability of the defense.

                              I am not sure what the alternative is, but I am sure Bradley has something in mind. Gronk did have a TD against us last year but I don't think he had too big of a game stats wise or even big play wise.

                              Besides, I think the bigger threat is going to be White and Michel out of the backfield. Gronk may get one or two big ones (20+ yards) but those two can pepper you all game long with 7-10 yarders.
                              Last edited by UtahBolt; 01-08-2019, 12:23 PM.
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                              • #16
                                1. Limit their running game.
                                2. Pressure on Brady... don't give him time
                                3. No turnovers

                                "...of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

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                                • #17
                                  Similar to the Ravens game:
                                  1) Limit big plays against D and Teams to 1 or 2.
                                  2) O and Teams not giving TB a short field( he'll not leave points in the Red Zone).
                                  3) Money Badger not missing.

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                                  • #18
                                    Yeah, James is an invaluable "mobile chess piece", it's better to put a LB on Gronk if he's playing so-so. It he brings his typical A-game then I think we have to put Jenkins on him exclusively. Jenkins is our best 1-on-1 cover guy in the slot area, his cover skill and physical nature are similar to Jammer, except for Jammer can cover deep and Jenkins still risky there, still need to learn to turn the head and looking for the ball, or at least act like you're looking for the ball, so officials keep their flags in their pockets.

                                    Jenkins is still a 1-trick pony, but is a great 1-trick pony. He's great at covering guy man-to-man inside those slot zones in the middle, erase TEs and slot receivers.
                                    Last edited by vinabolt; 01-08-2019, 01:25 PM.
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                                    • #19
                                      1. Pressure Brady any how, any way, so he is not in rhythm.
                                      2. Limit the dump off passes and YAC to the Pats RB committee.
                                      3. 7's over 3's. Need TDs in this game.

                                      And one more..... Don't let up, no matter what. AL needs to remind the players of the 28-3 deficit to the Falcons in the Super Bowl and the Pats comeback, how many come from behind wins Brady has in his career, and that Pats team is never dead until there is no time left on the clock, as long as TB12 is the qb.

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                                      • #20
                                        1). Coaching. The defensive philosophy of this game is that you need to mix man and zone coverage to give Brady something to slow him down. And quarter, nickel and dime packages.

                                        2). Brady is starting to get the yips. Watch Tom's last pass attempts of the Pittsburgh game, you'll see what I mean. Hit him and harass Brady, legally.

                                        3). Belichick will struggle to double team Bosa and especially Melvin Ingram as both prefer movement pre-snap. Since Bosa’s return, he and Ingram tallied 54 total pressures over the Chargers’ final seven regular-season games, only Philadelphia’s Brandon Graham and Michael Bennett (56 pressures) and Houston’s J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney (66) had more during that span.

                                        4). Offense. I want Coach Lynn to ask Slayer to play the game of his life at WR.
                                         
                                        Last edited by ghost; 01-08-2019, 07:40 PM.

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