2022 Official Bolts Draft Superthread

[UtahBolt]

IF the Chargers OT isn't on the board at #17 does it make sense to draft LB Devin Lloyd, Utah?

Because if you look at what Leonard Floyd does in the Rams D under Staley, couldn't Devin Lloyd play a similar role in our D????

Also help stop the run??? I wouldn't be mad if this is the guy the Chargers have at 17! lol Floyd rhymes with Lloyd???

Y-E-S!!!

(makes sense no matter who is left on the board!)

[eaterfan]

Yep you have to factor what he brings with the players that would be around him also, Mack, Bosa, JC, Derwin Etc. If Lloyd falls to 17 you really have to consider it because I would say this could transform our D and have an impact right away at stopping the run.... I think I would take Lloyd over Jordan Davis. Maybe.

They added 3 run stoppers already. If they can't find a cheaper linebacker to stop the run than the 17 pick then it's a scheme problem and not a personnel problem. I also think the logic here is messed up. LBs are freed up by big guys like Davis. If you want someone who can free everyone else up to do their thing, it's Davis. He'll eat up blockers and let everyone else hunt.

[electricgold]

Parsons' impact is as a pass rusher, both as an edge and blitzer. If Lloyd can replicate that he's worth it. If not, then he's not.

Yep you have to factor what he brings with the players that would be around him also, Mack, Bosa, JC, Derwin Etc. If Lloyd falls to 17 you really have to consider it because I would say this could transform our D and have an impact right away at stopping the run.... I think I would take Lloyd over Jordan Davis. Maybe.

[eaterfan]

Parsons' impact is as a pass rusher, both as an edge and blitzer. If Lloyd can replicate that he's worth it. If not, then he's not.

That's my problem with it. We need him to be a once in a 20 year type of player.

[equivocation]

Parsons' impact is as a pass rusher, both as an edge and blitzer. If Lloyd can replicate that he's worth it. If not, then he's not.

[eaterfan]

IF the Chargers OT isn't on the board at #17 does it make sense to draft LB Devin Lloyd, Utah?

Because if you look at what Leonard Floyd does in the Rams D under Staley, couldn't Devin Lloyd play a similar role in our D????

Also help stop the run??? I wouldn't be mad if this is the guy the Chargers have at 17! lol Floyd rhymes with Lloyd???

I think Lloyd is a good player, but I just don't understand drafting him at 17 after letting White walk. White is going to make between $3 and $5 million this year. Pick 17 will have a cap hit of around $2.8 million. White was a very good, not great, player last year. White is also familiar with the system. Lloyd has higher upside, but if White is going to give you 80% of the play that Lloyd gives you then you aren't getting much surplus value on your number one pick (between $.2 and $2.2 million in savings). White may even be better than Lloyd next year. LB is a complicated position because you have to learn to read and to cover.

Now look at what WRs are getting in FA. A solid number 2 WR like Christian Kirk is getting $18 million a year. The Chargers are better off getting an Olave or Williams and spending that extra $15 million in savings and buying a FA LB, CB 3, RG, etc.

The math changes if a player is a game changing stud. That's true of any position except maybe specialists. IF Devin Lloyd is Parsons then it's better value than Olave if he turns out to be Will Fuller or Christian Kirk. The problem is that if you're slightly wrong on your evaluation and Lloyd is White. Also, if both hit their absolute ceiling and Olave is a speedy Keenan Allen then he's worth more than Parsons.

[electricgold]

Penning is not a "huge project." That is pure fiction.

He was deemed by those playing against Penning, Raimann, Lucas, Faalele and Zion Johnson during the same week to be the best of those players--right now, not after some sort of additional coaching and development.

Some on this forum have been spreading this "Penning is a major project" nonsense for months now. The evidence is that Penning has minor technique issues as do almost all players at all positions, including players selected in the middle of the first round.

Penning's lesser teammate, Spencer Brown, started for the Bills at RT in 2021 and was better than Norton. Penning is ranked two full rounds higher than Brown was entering the NFL because he is a much better player. Both players tested well from an athletic standpoint. And yet Penning is supposed to be this "huge project" while the lesser Brown is starting and already better than Norton as a rookie. This shows just how weak those taking the "Penning is a huge project" position really is.

Some of these same individuals are touting Abraham Lucas, a player that Penning is already better than despite having some minor technique issues versus the more refined Lucas. So what happens to Penning's already existing advantage over Lucas in the NFL? Obviously, Penning has the much higher ceiling and the gap between the two in favor of Penning will widen over time.

Moreover, it is readily apparent that Penning is receptive to coaching and criticism and is a hard worker. He is already working with Duke Manyweather to iron out his minor technique issues. This reminds me of the situation with Justin Herbert in which some were down on him because of some technique issues, issues which Herbert obviously was able to get on op of because he took his craft seriously. Penning appears to be taking the same approach. The work ethic plus athleticism bodes very well for Penning.

At some point, you have to trust his resume. Penning was PFF's top graded OL player in 2021. He set a record for highest run blocking grade ever recorded for a collegiate OL player. Award for the best FBS player in the nation despite being an OT. He was voted the best OL at the senior Bowl by the defenders playing against the OL players. He produced the highest RAS of an OL player at the combine. He produced top end movement skills, movement skills on the whole superior to Slater's. His former and lesser college teammate serves as a measuring stick and says Penning projects well to the NFL. The experience of his measurables doppleganger, Taylor Lewan, suggests that Penning projects well to the NFL. And, if all of that were not enough, he is working hard with Duke Manyweather to perfect his craft.

I agree with Daniel Jeremiah, who has Penning ranked not as the #4 OT, but as the #3 OT overall above Charles Cross. If both are somehow on the board at #17, I am taking Penning over the more physically limited Cross every day of the week and twice on Sunday despite Cross having better technique right now. Give me the OT version of Herbert (Penning) over the OT version of Tua (Cross) all day every day.

Agreed! Penning or Devin Lloyd??

even if he doesn’t become a raider or a charger his name will probably be mentioned here for some time. Either folks that really want him will point out how wrong we were not to draft him or people that don’t want him will point out how lucky we were that the chargers chose not to pick him. That all depends on what kind of player he becomes. My nightmare scenario is where we’re talking about him as a charger draft miss:shock:

I have no issue being held accountable for not wanting penning, I’m just not sold on him, I think he’s a huge project and that’s not what you want from a mid first rounder, maybe late second round and beyond but not this high in the draft…

Penning is not a "huge project." That is pure fiction.

He was deemed by those playing against Penning, Raimann, Lucas, Faalele and Zion Johnson during the same week to be the best of those players--right now, not after some sort of additional coaching and development.

Some on this forum have been spreading this "Penning is a major project" nonsense for months now. The evidence is that Penning has minor technique issues as do almost all players at all positions, including players selected in the middle of the first round.

Penning's lesser teammate, Spencer Brown, started for the Bills at RT in 2021 and was better than Norton. Penning is ranked two full rounds higher than Brown was entering the NFL because he is a much better player. Both players tested well from an athletic standpoint. And yet Penning is supposed to be this "huge project" while the lesser Brown is starting and already better than Norton as a rookie. This shows just how weak those taking the "Penning is a huge project" position really is.

Some of these same individuals are touting Abraham Lucas, a player that Penning is already better than despite having some minor technique issues versus the more refined Lucas. So what happens to Penning's already existing advantage over Lucas in the NFL? Obviously, Penning has the much higher ceiling and the gap between the two in favor of Penning will widen over time.

Moreover, it is readily apparent that Penning is receptive to coaching and criticism and is a hard worker. He is already working with Duke Manyweather to iron out his minor technique issues. This reminds me of the situation with Justin Herbert in which some were down on him because of some technique issues, issues which Herbert obviously was able to get on op of because he took his craft seriously. Penning appears to be taking the same approach. The work ethic plus athleticism bodes very well for Penning.

At some point, you have to trust his resume. Penning was PFF's top graded OL player in 2021. He set a record for highest run blocking grade ever recorded for a collegiate OL player. Award for the best FBS player in the nation despite being an OT. He was voted the best OL at the senior Bowl by the defenders playing against the OL players. He produced the highest RAS of an OL player at the combine. He produced top end movement skills, movement skills on the whole superior to Slater's. His former and lesser college teammate serves as a measuring stick and says Penning projects well to the NFL. The experience of his measurables doppleganger, Taylor Lewan, suggests that Penning projects well to the NFL. And, if all of that were not enough, he is working hard with Duke Manyweather to perfect his craft.

I agree with Daniel Jeremiah, who has Penning ranked not as the #4 OT, but as the #3 OT overall above Charles Cross. If both are somehow on the board at #17, I am taking Penning over the more physically limited Cross every day of the week and twice on Sunday despite Cross having better technique right now. Give me the OT version of Herbert (Penning) over the OT version of Tua (Cross) all day every day.