2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Boltjolt]

I watch him wide wipe too. He is tough to tackle but not because he is slippery with moves. He is like a mini Gronk. Breaking arm tackles. He has great straight speed.

But then I looked at how is he getting open.
And it's often scheme. The WRs run deep and clear the area, he runs behind that after motion and good blocking by Georgia created the space. The defense doesn't have anyone within 10 Yards of him. By design. He catches and runs vs college kids. I keep trying to find him running a dagger where he smoked the CB and got wide open because of his moves at top of route. And I can't find it. I doubt any HC or OC or GM would says let's feature Brock Bowers like Georgia did. Get him the ball as often as we can. He ain't that guy once he is at the NFL..

Kyle Pitts can be featured as TE, as he can and does shake CB often. And can and does win vs double team. If I'm drafting a TE that high, he has to have Kyle Pitts type of talent. If Atlanta finds a QB or Pitts finds a team with QB. Kyle would have 1000yd per season every year.

I'd trade Bosa and pick #5 to Falcons for Pitts and pick #8.

Only problem with Pitts is he offers very little as a blocker and we are going to run the ball.

[CanadianBoltFan]

If this is how Hortiz rolls, I am completely accepting of it. I won't bemoan missing out on Odunze, Nabers or Bowers if the result of trading down is TWO plug-and-play trench starters.

OTOH... if Hortiz trades down from #5 to, say, to #7 and takes Odunze there?!?

Well, if *that* happened, the Chargers would be getting an additional Day 2 pick, plus a receiver being compared to Larry Fitzgerald. And Odunze would be arriving to a QB vastly better than anyone who ever threw Fitz the ball in Arizona, with the exception of Kurt Warner. And btw-- As receivers go? Larry Fitzgerald was TOUGH!

My point is... That is likewise a 'winning scenario'. There is more than one possible favorable outcome.

And we in the forum here are like 8 year olds waiting for Christmas morning, when we KNOW we're going to be getting something cool-- like a jet ski or a snowmobile-- but we don't know exactly what, and we WON'T until Christmas morning.

An extra pick and Odunze is fine with me. Stud.

[dmac_bolt]

I just remember that in the era when the Chargers were going to the playoffs with Nick Hardwick at center, there was a loud contingent of fans excoriating him for his deficiencies.

Nick was not a great center, fact.

[powderblueboy]

Yes, Harrison remaining on the board at #5 is more likely than a lot of people think, IMO.

If so, it's difficult to object to taking him. At the same time, I'd absolutely want (need?) to know what that pick would bring me in trade.

I wouldn't put it at 0%, but it is very unlikely.

QB at top 3 is pretty much a lock: Chicago, trading the pick away to a qb hungry team if they trade out.

it pretty much comes down to which receiver Arizona chooses,
and if they trade down, someone will be trading up for Harrison.

They could fumble the ball, there's that chance.
They need a cb in the worst way, but they have no receivers currently who are capable starters.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Only problem with Pitts is he offers very little as a blocker and we are going to run the ball.

I concur. I think the mindset of the guys determining the roster, moving forward, is "deficiencies as a blocker are sufficient to cross a guy off our list".

Not that there would NEVER be an exception. The idea is that you don't build a championship caliber team by stacking the roster with a lot of guys who are sub-par blockers.

[dmac_bolt]

I concur. I think the mindset of the guys determining the roster, moving forward, is "deficiencies as a blocker are sufficient to cross a guy off our list".

Not that there would NEVER be an exception. The idea is that you don't build a championship caliber team by stacking the roster with a lot of guys who are sub-par blockers.

Pitts looked like he wouldnt be a blocker before he was drafted. Bowers is a blocker so check one box for him.

[wu-dai clan]

wu's Clues Part 2

The only way to beat
Patrick Mahomes
is to run out the clock
at the end of the game.

Bump.
We must have balance.
But we must be able to run the football.

[DerwinBosa]

Only relevance is that perhaps the best the two best tight ends this century are very physical (illustrated by my 60s reference),
and Kittle was a blocking tight end at Iowa.

Being a big physical target is still required to be elite in my opinion.

Others in that category, Gonzales (6' 5"/245) and Gates (6'4" /260) were both bigger than Bowers and former basketball players who knew how to block out and create space.
Jason Whitten was a tank; Greg Olsen was 6'5"/255

I just don't see a 6'3''/235 guy in any tight end category that leads to elite success, other than the unicorn - Shannon Sharpe, who was drafted as a receiver and converted to tight end.

Someone here says that an inch doesn't matter, but the fact is that there are very few successful tight ends under 6"4" ... an inch does matter.

I got this from a Reddit conversation on successful tight ends under 6'4":

There were only 3 TE in the top 24 who were 6'3" (#18, 21, 24), none were below 6'3".

In 2020 there were only 3 TE in the top 24 below 6'4" (#11, 18, 23) Irv Smith is 6'2" (#23)

In 2019 there were only 3 TE in the top 24 below 6'4" (#18, 20, 24), they were all 6"3'


If Bowers comes in under 6'4", he'll drop to the middle or late first.

I don't know what Bowers' height and weight are. He doesn't look like a dominant tight end in casual clothing, though. That's for sure.

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[Boltnut]

Bump.
We must have balance.
But we must be able to run the football.

Yep. I kept hearing these words play through my mind during the game.
2nd and long... 3rd and long is such an awful place to be against those defenses.
Above all... don't give the ball back to Mahommes with a 1:30 left on the clock.

[wu-dai clan]

Yep. I kept hearing these words play through my mind during the game.
2nd and long... 3rd and long is such an awful place to be against those defenses.
Above all... don't give the ball back to Mahommes with a 1:30 left on the clock.

Guarantee there's an offensive tackle on the board @ #32, Nutty.

Forget it.

I know you want D, and that is a damn good idea.

But we gotta seal the deal in crunch time.

[Boltnut]

Guarantee there's an offensive tackle on the board @ #32, Nutty.

Forget it.

I know you want D, and that is a damn good idea.

But we gotta seal the deal in crunch time.

If we can't move back... I like your boy Alt @#5.
How do you feel about Salyer to RT...?

[Leslie Grossman]

The bottom portion of your League MVP odds next year.
Notice Bowers made the list. A hundred bucks would pay a cool hundred K. Those leading the Bowers train might want to consider?
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