2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[eaterfan]

I did the same thing, but saw things a little differently.

Reiman is a good blocker when he has the advantage, but gets caught off balance at times, nearly getting decleated by DBs surprising him with direction changes. More powerful than explosive or twitchy...not a playmaker, just a target when needed...no real YAC to his game. But size, athleticism, power, and decent hands make him intriguing as a #2 blocking TE, especially on power plays.

Theo has a lot more receiving chops on tape...I dont think he is a bad route runner, though a few times he ran it lazy, like he knew he wasnt getting the ball that play. Surprising after the catch, will make decent football moves. Better blocker than the Ohio St game...he had some whiffs that irked me, but when I watched again, he had some good blocks, also.

Bottom line...gimme Bowers, or sign Everett, Henry, etc....I like both these kids day 3, but neither of these guys is a #1 yet (Theo may get there)

Next: Tanner McLachlan...

I like your last paragraph. There are a lot of decent TEs available in FA. Everett, Henry, Smith. They won't cost much. Draft a premium position at 5 or trade down and take a premium position later. OT, CB, Edge will all be available in the back half of the top 10 and before pick 20 if so we end up back there. Those guys will be harder and more expensive to get competent play out of in FA.

[Boltinloudguy]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jaylon-carlies/32004341-5210-6062-3aab-32ba6d133ec9

Sleeper safety pick in the late rounds. Derwin’s backup and ST for now.

[Kylars]

AJ Barner * couldn't move sled to save his life, he sux, stinky route runner
Jaheim Bell * not a real TE, never going to be inline, good hands, decent route runner
Devin Culp * looks the part, but zero production, didn't finish routes well, more speed/sizzle than results, doesn't look like a TE
Dallin Holker * wasn't super blown away, but he did his part, underwhelming, slow
Theo Johnson * pretty good moving the sled, gets job done, but not blowing anyone away, is he actually good ??
Tanner McLachlan * depth, avg, not toolsy
Tip Reiman * killed the sled drill, damn good blocker, no issues catching the ball, built like small tackle, big thick body, really bad once routes started
Ben Sinnott * does alotta good things, blocked damn well, hockey background, like his feet, got some giddy up to him, well rounded
Brevyn Spann Ford * looks like a fridge, slow, moved the sled, but knew he could block
Cade Stover * tough and can block, destroyed the sled w/ease, doesn't have crazy burst, no issues catching ball, will help on STs and the occasional LB duties
Jared Wiley * not egregious blocking, held his own there, looks enormous, movement skills pretty good, might have something to him
Ja'Tavion Sanders * moved the sled well blocking, play speed catching the ball better than straight line speed, has extra juice when he cuts, looks way better on field than straight line running, really good in drills, no drop issues, smooth running route tree

Stover, Bell and Johnson all rated ahead of Sinnott

The sled was an embarrassment for many of the TEs.

I am all about Bowers, but if we do not get him I hope we target Sinnott/Stover if they are there later. Pass on Sanders as he is likely going to be a 2nd round pick and I would like to see either the best OC or the new "jwall"

[dmac_bolt]

Kris Abrams Draine * slot guy, battles, flips his hips, feet are good, overall a solid
Terrion Arnold * flips hips well, play speed better than straight line, has talent, will translate
Willie Drew * he sux (well, so much for that.... thought I had somethin' on the line there)
Renardo Green * slow feet, struggles to turn, no twitch, better short area, needs to cover more ground
Daequan Hardy * pure slot guy, good play speed, quick feet, better straight line, slower in short area, knees are not ideal, plays too high
Cam Hart * no issues really, but didn't blow anyone away
DJ James * moves well, quick feet, no real complaints
Elijah James * feet need to cover more ground, has got something to him
Jarrian Jones * much better when he's in a spot and can change in a zone
Kalen King * not a corner, will never stick to peoples, back bender, can't get ass down, slow
Kamari Lassiter * press guy all day, hips are fine, not blazing feet, better football player than track star
Max Melton * very smooth, easy going back, no problem, faster than quick, struggles to slow down
Quinyon Mitchell * unbelievable 40, phenomenal hip movement, basically an on field instruction manual
Josh Newton * pretty quick feet, solid base, can do it in short areas, really good short area changing direction, good football player
Andru Phillips * athlete traits are there
Nehemiah Pritchett * overall really solid
Mike Sainristil * slot guy, tough w/great ball skills, nice knee bend, really good, like the base
Chau Smith Wade * scared to like him.... confused
Josh Wallace * looks like an LB
Ryan Watts * covers alotta ground, executes

has Kool Aid as his No. 1 corner.... Arnold @6.... DeJean @8

I didn’t watch a lot of the DB session - Sort of see a snip, miss a snip, can’t really come out with comparisons. I did catch Sainristil flipped his hips really well in one of the backpedal-sprint back diagonal and track ball over shoulder drills. I wasn’t expecting him to be that fluid and smooth. then he dropped the ball lol, i’m not worried about a drop in a combine drill. but up to that point he was really good with the right athletic traits to succeed at CB - probably slot as you note.

No idea if others were better, the few I saw were not

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Here's the dilemma we've been sorting through with the 5th pick, through a specific lens.

Let's say the Chargers have the opportunity at #5 to select a future Hall of Fame receiver.

Hortiz also has an offer on the table to trade down to a spot where he is certain he'll be able to select-- not a future HoFer-- but a perennial.Pro Bowl level right tackle, along with a 2nd round pick that would allow for the selection of the badly needed offensive center, also a Pro Bowl level guy.

So-- one Hall of Famer, or two perennial Pro Bowlers?

I'm not going to say that one move is always the right one to make. But since getting the O-line fixed is essential for the success of BOTH the run AND pass games, IMO you lean toward Beef Before Gazelles. Especially since there isn't a more important job than protecting Herb.

Also, if you're going to bypass a guy you think could be HoF material, you have to be absolutely CERTAIN about the players you take instead.

These variables can't be known in advance-- Hortiz will have to weigh offers for the pick on the fly, when the Bolts are on the clock.

[dmac_bolt]

The sled was an embarrassment for many of the TEs.

I am all about Bowers, but if we do not get him I hope we target Sinnott/Stover if they are there later. Pass on Sanders as he is likely going to be a 2nd round pick and I would like to see either the best OC or the new "jwall"

I did catch that. Some of them just flailed lifting it high at their start and barely moving it. A couple did stay low and drove it well. Sanders didn’t do well in that drill, or some others. Not nearly as fast as I expected either.

Some mid-round guys stood out as sleepers to me if they go different direction in Rd1: McCLachlan, Reimann, Knox, Wiley. Stover and Sinnot were both ok, didn’t show as well in the combine but their game tape is good. But so is Sanders and he didn’t impress me as a high Rd2 caliber talent. A lot of times a TE’s game tape is more dependent on the team and offense than the player though.

[Boltinloudguy]

Not going to lie, I think Marvin Harrison Jr. has already started to be a diva. Not speaking to the media or doing anything at the combine. I wonder if he’ll even weigh in? Not to mention wearing Louie Vuitton cleats and an Apple Watch during a game in college is a bit much for me. He may be a great WR but I get a sense that he is more of a ME player and not a TEAM player. I could be wrong but just my opinion.

Odunze is my favorite WR in the draft.

[powderblueboy]

Here's the dilemma we've been sorting through with the 5th pick, through a specific lens.

Let's say the Chargers have the opportunity at #5 to select a future Hall of Fame receiver.

Hortiz also has an offer on the table to trade down to a spot where he is certain he'll be able to select-- not a future HoFer-- but a perennial.Pro Bowl level right tackle, along with a 2nd round pick that would allow for the selection of the badly needed offensive center, also a Pro Bowl level guy.

So-- one Hall of Famer, or two perennial Pro Bowlers?

I'm not going to say that one move is always the right one to make. But since getting the O-line fixed is essential for the success of BOTH the run AND pass games, IMO you lean toward Beef Before Gazelles. Especially since there isn't a more important job than protecting Herb.

Also, if you're going to bypass a guy you think could be HoF material, you have to be absolutely CERTAIN about the players you take instead.

These variables can't be known in advance-- Hortiz will have to weigh offers for the pick on the fly, when the Bolts are on the clock.

A perennial pro bowler is a HOFer.

The chances of finding a perennial pro bowler with the added 2nd round pick is not likely.

A fair choice would be between a Jr Seau or a Nick Hardwick/Marcus McNeill

[powderblueboy]

Not going to lie, I think Marvin Harrison Jr. has already started to be a diva. Not speaking to the media or doing anything at the combine. I wonder if he’ll even weigh in? Not to mention wearing Louie Vuitton cleats and an Apple Watch during a game in college is a bit much for me. He may be a great WR but I get a sense that he is more of a ME player and not a TEAM player. I could be wrong but just my opinion.

Odunze is my favorite WR in the draft.

Maybe he doesn't want to play in Arizona or New England?

LA/Herbert/Harbaugh or Phoenix/Kyler Murray/the soon to be fired, ex DC jonathon gannon.

These guys don't have a choice, but don't want to be passive about where they go if they can affect things.
Their future is at stake.

[Chargers8491]

I'm on the Braelon Allen bandwagon for the 3rd round. Looking forward to his 40 time today. Still think he is a perfect fit for the Chargers.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

A perennial pro bowler is a HOFer.

The chances of finding a perennial pro bowler with the added 2nd round pick is not likely.
A fair choice would be between a Jr Seau or a Nick Hardwick/Marcus McNeill

McNeill was a 2nd round pick, so this works as a good example: If the Bolts can trade down from #5 to #10, and get a Rashawn Slater caliber lineman there, and a Marcus McNeill quality O-lineman with the 2nd round pick acquired in the trade down, would that be worth passing on an elite receiver?

I would agree that Hall of Famers were most likely perennial Pro Bowlers (Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Tony Gonzalez) but the reverse isn't so accurate. Guys like Ed White and Jim Lachey made a lot of Pro Bowls, but aren't in the Hall.

[Chargers8491]

Braelon is a mauler. Get him a FB/HB (Sinnott?) and watch him go. Here are some highlights of Braelon:

Braelon Allen || Wisconsin Badgers Running Back || 2023 Junior Highlights (youtube.com)