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  • ChargerTrader
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    Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post

    Hey Trader !
    Nabers cannot be covered.
    I see a pure baller with rare hops, Change of Direction, Forty, Short Area Quickness...total package.
    Hey there! Been awhile! But yes, 100% agree that Nabers is the full package.

    If we stay at #5 and Hortiz is true to his word of getting full value for the pick, it seems like a fit.
    At least one Superbowl in my lifetime

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    • Boltjolt
      Dont let the PBs fool ya
      • Jun 2013
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      Originally posted by beachcomber View Post
      RB Isaac Guerendo * he can catch and block.... third down back ?? eventual starter ??
      RB Jaylen Wright
      RB Trey Benson
      RB Keilan Robinson
      RB Ray Davis

      FS Cole Bishop
      FS Tykee Smith
      FS Jaylon Carlies

      NB Mike Sainristil

      LB Edgerrin Cooper
      LB Jordan Magee

      ED Laiatu Latu

      DT Braden Fiske
      DT Byron Murphy

      how many of the above have you had on your Chargers' radar ??

      and how 'bout this guy.... ??


      CB Kalen King
      Yep, but not all like Guerendo and MaGee. Not looking at a lot of FS either, just a few. Bishop only one there I looked at.
      Went off of King a while ago and then he ran slow yesterday.
      1. Mason Taylor TE LSU
      2. Quinshon Judkins RB Ohio st
      3. Kyle Kennard Edge So. Carolina
      ✓
      4. CJ West DT Indiana
      5. Don'te Thornton WR Tennessee
      6. Zah Frazier CB UTSA
      6. Jarquez Hunter RB Auburn
      6. Jay Higgins LB Iowa
      6. Hunter Wohler S Wisconsin
      7. Carson Vinson OT Alabama

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      • Boltnut
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        Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post

        He really isnt, and if you are not a franchise in serious need of a left tackle I dont there is a justification to draft Alt at 5. I was happy to hear Hortiz talking about BPA and saying he doesnt draft by position. Nabers and Odunze are bigger talents than Alt.

        I still love Bowers and he is a baller who I would love on the Chargers, but I have started to accept that 5 doesnt really fit into the positional value chart for salary cap.
        So what makes you believe that Nabers and Odunze are better talents than Alt.
        Don't you think it's hard to compare WR's and OT's.
        What do you base your evaluation on? Is it just "we don't have a serious need at left tackle"...?

        Protect the QB
        Run the ball
        Play great defense

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        • Boltjolt
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          Originally posted by Xenos View Post



          Id would agree with this, though I'll say McGlitchy is very overrated and hasn't been that great imo for his draft status. He was drafted well higher than Pipkins and getting way over paid by Denver.

          I'll say again, the IOL was our biggest problem.
          1. Mason Taylor TE LSU
          2. Quinshon Judkins RB Ohio st
          3. Kyle Kennard Edge So. Carolina
          ✓
          4. CJ West DT Indiana
          5. Don'te Thornton WR Tennessee
          6. Zah Frazier CB UTSA
          6. Jarquez Hunter RB Auburn
          6. Jay Higgins LB Iowa
          6. Hunter Wohler S Wisconsin
          7. Carson Vinson OT Alabama

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          • powderblueboy
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            Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

            So what makes you believe that Nabers and Odunze are better talents than Alt.
            Don't you think it's hard to compare WR's and OT's.
            What do you base your evaluation on? Is it just "we don't have a serious need at left tackle"...?
            - he'd have to move to the right side
            - he's not a mountain of a man, more of a tree: quickest path to Herbert might be through Alt's chest
            - if you need to grind out tough yards, you will not be going behind Alt.

            #5 is a bit rich for him.

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            • CanadianBoltFan
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              Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

              So what makes you believe that Nabers and Odunze are better talents than Alt.
              Don't you think it's hard to compare WR's and OT's.
              What do you base your evaluation on? Is it just "we don't have a serious need at left tackle"...?
              I agree it is hard to compare WR and OT.

              I just think the top 3 WRs are special and more elite at their position than the top 3 tackles at their position, even though this is a very good and deep tackle draft. But Alt is not Ogden, Joe Thomas, or even Sewell. Whereas MHJ is one of the best WRs prospects in years. if it wasnt for him, Nabers would be WR1 in many drafts. Can't say that about Joe Alt at tackle I dont think. He is a solid technician, a finesse tackle who is good overall, but he lacks some strength and power...might not be the mauler who gets to the second level for the run game that Harbaugh likes.

              Good tackle obviously but Jeremiah has him as his #9 overall player, behind Nabers, Odunze and Bowers.

              And yes, with better coaching and better guard play beside him, Pipkins might be ok for another year at RT. Drafting at 5 is a rare opportunity for a blue chip player. I dont think you use it to convert Alt to right tackle. I am far more on board to trade down for powerful RT prospects like Latham or Fuaga and getting extra picks if they want to go tackle. otherwise if you cant trade down take the blue chip game breaker

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              • charger1_sj
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                Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                So what makes you believe that Nabers and Odunze are better talents than Alt.
                Don't you think it's hard to compare WR's and OT's.
                What do you base your evaluation on? Is it just "we don't have a serious need at left tackle"...?
                Both Nabers and Odunze would have a bigger impact than Alt. Alt would be playing RT, a position we already have a starter at. I know a lot of you don't
                like Pipkins, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be. If you really want to replace him a 2nd or even 3rd rounder would do it. Plus if Pipkins is really
                that bad then we can move Salyer over to RT where he probably belongs since he played OT in college and played pretty well at LT for us when Slater got hurt.

                What we really need on the Oline is a center and upgrade at the OGs position. Those can be filled in 2nd-4th rounds. I'll take one of the top 3 receivers or Bowers
                if we stay at #5.

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                • Boltjolt
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                  Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                  I'm sold, and Pip was playing next to an unpolished newbie all year.

                  With Bowers lack of length, and basically playing footsies with Veach & the Chiefs,
                  go get Nabers or Odunze.
                  Man it don't take much for some of you to run with the bait does it lol. A Chiefs fan posted that about Bowers and it's fake.

                  ​​​​
                  1. Mason Taylor TE LSU
                  2. Quinshon Judkins RB Ohio st
                  3. Kyle Kennard Edge So. Carolina
                  ✓
                  4. CJ West DT Indiana
                  5. Don'te Thornton WR Tennessee
                  6. Zah Frazier CB UTSA
                  6. Jarquez Hunter RB Auburn
                  6. Jay Higgins LB Iowa
                  6. Hunter Wohler S Wisconsin
                  7. Carson Vinson OT Alabama

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                  • Topcat
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                    Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                    Id would agree with this, though I'll say McGlitchy is very overrated and hasn't been that great imo for his draft status. He was drafted well higher than Pipkins and getting way over paid by Denver.

                    I'll say again, the IOL was our biggest problem.
                    ^ This...I'll say it again: Trade down to somewhere between #8 - #12 or so, pick up C with first pick...not sexy, but huge PON...UNLESS Hortiz and Harbo can sign a decent FA C...THEN, I'll entertain looking at TE or WR @#5...
                    22 - TE Mason Taylor
                    55 - RB Quinshon Judkins
                    86 - DL Josiah Stewart
                    125 - G Dylan Fairchild
                    158 - C Jake Majors
                    181 - WR Donte Thornton

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                    • Topcat
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                      Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

                      Both Nabers and Odunze would have a bigger impact than Alt. Alt would be playing RT, a position we already have a starter at. I know a lot of you don't
                      like Pipkins, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.
                      If you really want to replace him a 2nd or even 3rd rounder would do it. Plus if Pipkins is really
                      that bad then we can move Salyer over to RT where he probably belongs since he played OT in college and played pretty well at LT for us when Slater got hurt.

                      What we really need on the Oline is a center and upgrade at the OGs position. Those can be filled in 2nd-4th rounds. I'll take one of the top 3 receivers or Bowers
                      if we stay at #5.
                      A lot depends on whether Harbo thinks Pip can be coached up to be at least solid...I'd still like to hedge our bets by drafting a RT somewhere...but AFTER drafting our starting C...
                      22 - TE Mason Taylor
                      55 - RB Quinshon Judkins
                      86 - DL Josiah Stewart
                      125 - G Dylan Fairchild
                      158 - C Jake Majors
                      181 - WR Donte Thornton

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                      • Boltnut
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                        Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                        - he'd have to move to the right side
                        - he's not a mountain of a man, more of a tree: quickest path to Herbert might be through Alt's chest
                        - if you need to grind out tough yards, you will not be going behind Alt.

                        #5 is a bit rich for him.
                        I have no problem with moving Alt to the right side. Pipkins isn't my idea of "protect the QB and run better".
                        Alt is a much better pass blocker than Pipkins... it's not even close.
                        Alt is a very good run blocker... Notre Dame picked up "tough yards" behind Alt all the time.

                        Most mocks have Alt going before Nabers... sometimes as high as #2.
                        Protect the QB
                        Run the ball
                        Play great defense

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                        • Maniaque 6
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                          Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

                          Both Nabers and Odunze would have a bigger impact than Alt. Alt would be playing RT, a position we already have a starter at. I know a lot of you don't
                          like Pipkins, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be. If you really want to replace him a 2nd or even 3rd rounder would do it. Plus if Pipkins is really
                          that bad then we can move Salyer over to RT where he probably belongs since he played OT in college and played pretty well at LT for us when Slater got hurt.

                          What we really need on the Oline is a center and upgrade at the OGs position. Those can be filled in 2nd-4th rounds. I'll take one of the top 3 receivers or Bowers
                          if we stay at #5.
                          Trade your 5th for a 8th and 2nd or 3rd.
                          Draft Bowers at 8, your C with your 2nd and your G with the Falcons pick.
                          Go defense after that.

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