Draft Day 2 Thread

[marconi]

Pipkins may be better than you realize. Look at this from the East-West Shrine game:

"There were two offensive tackles on the West team that blocked well and really helped themselves. One of them was Sioux Falls' Trey Pipkins. The 6-foot-7, 307-pounder has good length and a nice build to him. He showed nice feet in the position drills while also using his size, length and strength to tie up edge rushers in the pass rushing one-on-ones. After practice, Pipkins was swarmed by team scouts, as they sought to interview him and get more information on his history. This was an excellent start to the week for Pipkins, and he could have mid-round potential in a weak offensive tackle draft class."

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I like this kid and I think he's going to work out fine. He had an outstanding performance at the combine. At over 6-6 and 309 pounds with 33 7/8-inch arms, the Sioux Falls star didn't have a drill below the 77th percentile at the tackle position. That's including the 40, vertical, broad, or three-cone drill.

Here is another offensive lineman you probably never heard of that I also like and looked really good at the combine:

Hjalte Froholdt, - Guard / Center Arkansas Ht. 6' 5" Wt. 306

Maybe we'll take him in the 5th.

[Cdn Bolt]

Pipkins may be better than you realize. Look at this from the East-West Shrine game:

"There were two offensive tackles on the West team that blocked well and really helped themselves. One of them was Sioux Falls' Trey Pipkins. The 6-foot-7, 307-pounder has good length and a nice build to him. He showed nice feet in the position drills while also using his size, length and strength to tie up edge rushers in the pass rushing one-on-ones. After practice, Pipkins was swarmed by team scouts, as they sought to interview him and get more information on his history. This was an excellent start to the week for Pipkins, and he could have mid-round potential in a weak offensive tackle draft class."

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/eastwest20...#ixzz5mGSfsXVF

I hope I'm wrong. But there were other OT's available they could have gone up for or even taken that look less risky. NE took Odjuste from WV a few picks later for ex

[Boltjolt]

I know dielmen was a dl convert. My point is weve not only neglected the position, but our oline coaches arent exactly getting ghe best out of them. In the last 10 years how many olinemen have we drafted or picked up from udfa and they turned into pro bowlers???

How many pro bowl OL does Brady have in front of him? Zero. Only two guys on that team even got selected to the PB and Brady was one of them. Gilmore the other. But somehow they keep making it to the playoffs and super bowl.

[charger1993]

Some of it is the nature of the draft and FA. We have brought in FA because we have immediate needs at OL.

Drafting is to add players to develop. We keep forcing OL to play immediately, at a time when colleges are doing worse and worse at developing OL. Fundamentals are shitty, and just about every player (ok everyone that I scouted except a couple of C) is just not very good.

It is not like the Chargers are the only team with this problem. OL issues are a problem with all but a couple teams in the league. EVERYONE is struggling to develop OL.

Sooner or later the NFL owners need to get their heads out of their asses and start a true developmental league. Some way of letting players get playing time and develop their fundamentals, because once the NFL regular season starts, all the emphasis is on getting to play on Sunday.

Agree 100 percent on this. Yhe nfl should have abosrbed the afl to be the g league if the nfl.

[Steve]

Some of it is the nature of the draft and FA. We have brought in FA because we have immediate needs at OL.

Drafting is to add players to develop. We keep forcing OL to play immediately, at a time when colleges are doing worse and worse at developing OL. Fundamentals are shitty, and just about every player (ok everyone that I scouted except a couple of C) is just not very good.

It is not like the Chargers are the only team with this problem. OL issues are a problem with all but a couple teams in the league. EVERYONE is struggling to develop OL.

Sooner or later the NFL owners need to get their heads out of their asses and start a true developmental league. Some way of letting players get playing time and develop their fundamentals, because once the NFL regular season starts, all the emphasis is on getting to play on Sunday.

[charger1993]

Not impressed w Telesco's drafting of OL either. Will give him credit for Feeney though. They couldn't draft a decent C ( Chris watt, Max Tuerck) so they had to splurge on Mike Pouncey. We still don't have a decent RT. Tevi I think graded as the worst at the position by PFF.

They never even bother to draft LTs anymore. OT was our 2nd biggest need (need a starter) and they go w this project.

This.
i want lamp to come in and do good, but if he never sees the field then what do we say?? Another miss?? Tuerk was suppose to be a steal but had knee problems, was undersized, and coulsnt hang.
feeney was suppose to be a steal, sub par play.
theres no reason to draft ots if were not gonna coach em up

[Topcat]

Not impressed w Telesco's drafting of OL either. Will give him credit for Feeney though. They couldn't draft a decent C ( Chris watt, Max Tuerck) so they had to splurge on Mike Pouncey. We still don't have a decent RT. Tevi I think graded as the worst at the position by PFF.

They never even bother to draft LTs anymore. OT was our 2nd biggest need (need a starter) and they go w this project.

Pipkins may be better than you realize. Look at this from the East-West Shrine game:

"There were two offensive tackles on the West team that blocked well and really helped themselves. One of them was Sioux Falls' Trey Pipkins. The 6-foot-7, 307-pounder has good length and a nice build to him. He showed nice feet in the position drills while also using his size, length and strength to tie up edge rushers in the pass rushing one-on-ones. After practice, Pipkins was swarmed by team scouts, as they sought to interview him and get more information on his history. This was an excellent start to the week for Pipkins, and he could have mid-round potential in a weak offensive tackle draft class."

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/eastwest20...#ixzz5mGSfsXVF

[Cdn Bolt]

Not impressed w Telesco's drafting of OL either. Will give him credit for Feeney though. They couldn't draft a decent C ( Chris watt, Max Tuerck) so they had to splurge on Mike Pouncey. We still don't have a decent RT. Tevi I think graded as the worst at the position by PFF.

They never even bother to draft LTs anymore. OT was our 2nd biggest need (need a starter) and they go w this project.

[Steve]

Our OL was awful against any half decent front 7s. The Ravens for example lived in the Chargers backfield and the Patriots obliterated the OL in that embarrassing playoff loss.

If you are saying they were awful late in the season you are correct. But to genearlize, their performance for the whole season simply proves you either have no idea what solid OL play is, or you simply didn't watch.

[charger1993]

We didn't draft Dielman, he was a UDFA converted DL. And yes AJ neglected the OL a lot worse.

I know dielmen was a dl convert. My point is weve not only neglected the position, but our oline coaches arent exactly getting ghe best out of them. In the last 10 years how many olinemen have we drafted or picked up from udfa and they turned into pro bowlers???

[charger1993]

We didn't draft Dielman. He was an UDFA, and we brought him in to play DL, not OL. He wasn't even switched to OL until after preseason his rookie year. However, he was an outstanding player his 2nd season, and he had only played OL very, very sparingly in college. He basically learned in a year, although learning from scratch is often easier than unlearning the old bad habits.

McNeil was a 1st round prospect who fell out of the 1st because of the same neck issue that eventually caused him to retire.

Our OL was not awful last year. That is simply wrong. It was solid for most of the season, then got exploited late in the year. So the OL was only bad part of the year.

It seems that the vast majority of the people posting in this thread are being intellectually dishonest as well. You seem to think it will take years for Pipkins to learn to develop at OT, while discounting the chance that young OL may get better. Again, to use the Dielman example, he was simply awful as a rookie but played at a very high level the next season. Was a Fairy Godmother or a Genie giving magic wishes involved, which seem to be what some are suggesting, or a tremendous amount of hard work, which is probably how it happened?

And as far as Lamp goes, how was he supposed to get better? Mental reps at a position he has never played in a full game? Or how was he supposed to learn the multiple positions to be active on game days (the chargers don't activate backup OL who only play one position), when he was still rehabbing during the install part of the offense?

My point is the chargers dont exactly have a great track record with coaching our oline up. Every year people complain about the oline. And every time we draft one we miss. I juat dont think it was a smart pick in the 3rd. You could have more than likely got him in the 4th or 5th.
and i know dielmen was a dl convert to ol, but hes the last player we had that we coached up to be great.

And if knees issues arent worrisome why not trade uo n take taylor in the second?? Knees issues aswell as back issues are a huge deal for linemen

[Topcat]

LOL I live an hour from where he played and I never saw him play!

Definitely a project.

Pipkins DID play in the East-West Shrine game, so you have to be pretty decent to even get that call. And there is this:

"There were two offensive tackles on the West team that blocked well and really helped themselves. One of them was Sioux Falls' Trey Pipkins. The 6-foot-7, 307-pounder has good length and a nice build to him. He showed nice feet in the position drills while also using his size, length and strength to tie up edge rushers in the pass rushing one-on-ones. After practice, Pipkins was swarmed by team scouts, as they sought to interview him and get more information on his history. This was an excellent start to the week for Pipkins, and he could have mid-round potential in a weak offensive tackle draft class."

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/eastwest20...#ixzz5mGSfsXVF